Posted on 01/23/2015 12:52:58 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
For more than a decade, Tom Brady has established himself as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time, one of the sport’s most popular and respected players. On Wednesday, Brady may have jeopardized his credibility for good.
Like Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Brady denied having anything to do with footballs being deflated in the AFC Championship Game and denied knowing it had occurred until the next day, but to the quarterback’s former peers, the NFL’s golden boy lost some of the luster he had earned in his 15-year career.
“I did not believe what Tom had to say,” former quarterback and ESPN analyst Mark Brunell said.
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One would assume that the measurements and circumstances weren’t the same...as opposed to an appeal to magic.
Nice example...and as he notes, the temps fell from the game start temp.
One would assume that the measurements and circumstances weren’t the same...as opposed to an appeal to magic.
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Not a fan of Occam’s Razor, eh?
Given the discrepancy between the balls that, by all accounts, were treated exactly the same, and the fact that 1 of the balls that Pat’s used was fully inflated, would not the simplest explanation be that some human changed the pressure in the balls?
No appeal to magic here.
In other words, what's the modus operandi used in deflating a football?
Leni
Oh I am quite a fan.
...by all ASSUMPTIONS the balls were treated the same, though no one outside the NFL has been able to determine even when the Colts balls were measured and said to have been within specs.
Half-time? Maybe. Just referring to the pre-game check? Maybe. Inflated at different times? Maybe. Starting pressures for each group of balls? Don’t know.
Whether Chris Mortensons unsubstantiated report is even correct? Dunno.
It is a fact that all the balls should have lost pressure when they went from inside room temperature, to outside cold. Claiming that some didn’t is invoking special pleading. If the Colts balls didn’t follow the laws of physics - why not? It is much simpler to assume that they did, but that something about the conditions was different between the two conditions than it is to believe that the Colts balls were magical...and untampered with.
Can you imagine the impact on the sportsbooks if the NFL would -- as I think they should -- impose an immediate suspension on the Patriots' liars and cheaters, causing the fair flower of quarterbacks to miss the Superbowl?
Rest easy, my friend. Based purely on economics I don't think the NFL leadership has the courage to do what's right ... and Francesca says that is really going to hurt them (and the otherwise fine Patriots team) in the long run.
Sorry, but 2 lbs per square inch on a ball is very noticeable, football, basketball, soccer ball... there is no way you can claim that you can’t tell.. the difference between 12.5-13.5 and 10.5 is VERY noticeable, that’s a 20% psi difference... that’s noticeable by anyone, let alone someone who’s a professional and does it for a living day in and day out.
I am not saying the Pats wouldn’t have won the game either way, but to claim you couldn’t tell or didn’t notice just doesn’t pass the smell test. Anyone will notice a 20% differential in pressure almost immediately, so long as they know what it should feel like in the first place.
2lbs of PSI is not remotely negligible, in these contexts, these 2lbs of PSI are a 20% differential and a 20% under inflated ball, whether it be a football, basketball or soccer ball are all immediately noticeable by anyone who is familiar with what it should feel like.
If this was some guys out on a sunday tossing a pigskin around, maybe they would not be able to know because they had no frame of reference of how it should feel if properly inflated, but folks who play the game for a profession can’t tell immediately the equipment is under or overinflated by 20% is a claim that is just flat out nonsense.
This is like the guy at the tire shop filling your brand new tires to only about 24-25 lbs of pressure vs the proper 32lbs of PSI and claiming he didn’t notice... its flat out nonsense, and doesn’t pass the smell test.
The idea that 1-2lbs of PSI isn’t noticeable is garbage, its highly noticeable when you are talking about these pressures, it represents about 20% off, that’s noticeable by anyone who is familiar with what the ball should feel like.
As a Seattle fan (and not a ‘bandwagoner’ who just liked them recently), all I expect from the Super Bowl is a fairly-played, well-fought game. In fact, a fair game is all any Seattle fan expects.
Now, I do not expect a repeat of last year’s ‘game of mass destruction’ that Seattle inflicted on Denver, but I would like to see a win for the Seahawks.
And trust me....if any Seattle players, coaches, OR fans notice anything that looks untoward, we’ll be all over that like stink on...well, you know.
Thanks, Fresh Wind.
Leni
And you sound like everyone else when they lose difference is I really don’t give a rat’s azz what anyone thinks....
Go Pats!
anyone? Multiple NFL QBs have tried and said they can’t. A couple claim they can.
It is a very notable difference below about 9 PSI. 10+, it’s all just “hard”. For most people, it’s like differentiating brass fom granite by squeezing it...with your bare hand. There’s a huge difference in hardness, but not for your flesh.
An "experiment" done by "unbiased" Massachusetts high skool students who achieved the results they set out to get.
Thermodynamically, dunking a ball in a bucket of cold water is far more severe than what would happen to a ball in air at that temperature, or even getting some rain on it.
And this "experiment" gives no explanation of why the Patriots' balls deflated and the Colts' balls didn't, under the same conditions.
10 psi vs 12 psi is very noticeable, don’t believe me that a 20% psi is not noticeable?
Please go deflate your tires to 25lbs of pressure and tell me you can’t tell the difference.
The claim it can’t be noticed is nonsense. A 20%-30% pressure differential is huge, and that’s what we are talking about here. Claiming its just a lb or two is comical. It shows just how gullible and mathematically ignorant far too many folks are.
Again, if it was a bunch of average joes out on a sunday afternoon that had no frame of reference to know what a properly inflated ball should feel like, I’d agree with you, they probably could play with a 10lb ball and not know any better.. but to claim folks who spend their careers doing it can’t tell a 20-30% pressure differential is comical beyond belief.
To claim its just a lb or two, shows complete ignorance of what exactly PSI is, it doesn’t matter the number of lbs PSI delta, what matter is the percentage difference, and to try to claim a 20% pressure difference isn’t immediately noticeable by anyone who is familiar with the proper pressure is a joke of a claim.
I am sure no big name will wind up being punished for it, they’ll find some low level patsy to lay the blame on in the end... and the pats would have won the game anyway... so it didn’t impact the final outcome other than the scoreboard, but there is no doubt cheating too place, and the claim that you handled the equipment all game, knowing or at least should know after how many years in the league what a properly inflated ball feels like, but didn’t notice is just a flat out ludicrous claim.
How much you want to bet, if they can track down the individual balls, that that 12th ball that was properly inflated, was the one they used to kick with??? I would money down on that without question, because those extra 2 lbs of pressure are going to equate to a lot in the distance of any kick made.
I have no idea who ordered the balls deflated, and frankly don’t care, but the claim a professional QB with a long career in the NFL didn’t notice the balls were under inflated by 20% all game? Yea, doesn’t pass the smell test.
It’s about what you’d expect from the equations.
...although I believe there was a mistake. I think the starting pressure was 13.3 PSI, not 13.5.
“Thermodynamically severe”? That might apply if the rate of cooling were at issue.
Why didn’t the Colts balls cool as expected if the conditions wee identical? The most obvious reasons are they might not have been subject to identical conditions or testing. They certainly should have cooled at least from the max stated in the guidelines to below the minimum if they were under the conditions people generally think they were, and measured at the times people think they were.
The simplest explanation is that the assumptions there are flawed...as opposed to assuming that the Patriots cheated by NOT having magic balls that the Colts must have had.
Well, maybe for the balls on top. Doing the entire pile without mixing them is rather more difficult to do without cameras showing even a whiff of it.
Brunnell was a backup on that team? If so, I stand corrected.
A 20%-30% pressure differential is huge,
The first pound makes such a difference that it seems you’ve got a different object. The next couple of pounds likewise make large, but lesser diffences, and so forth, until it’s at about 7 lbs. from that point the differences become more and more minuscule. After about 10 lbs you are predominantly just compressing the leather and liner. A little more, and only a few people can compress by more than a millimeter if that is all they are doing - which is not what a QB is doing. At 12 PSI, you’re more compressing your fingers than compressing the ball. At 14 PSI, you’re having to do exponentially more extreme things to make a detectable difference...usually requiring things that are not hands.
Try it yourself. The diffences are inversely exponential, not linear.
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