Why Hitler wished he were a Muslim (WSJ)

Elder of Zion blog ^ | January 21, 2015 | Elder of Zion

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• Why Hitler wished he were a Muslim (WSJ)

  From The Wall Street Journal, a book review of two new books on Nazi Germany, ATATÜRK IN THE NAZI IMAGINATION by Stefan Ihrig and ISLAM AND NAZI GERMANY’S WAR by David Motadel. :

  ‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

[Farmer Dean]

Burning in hell for 70 years has probably changed Hitler’s opinion.

[Olog-hai]

Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men” …

Aside from the sodomite overtones, the phrase “religion of men” is synonymous with “paganism” and not a religion of God.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I understand even NAPOLEON wanted his army to convert to islam in Egypt. The soldiers,however, balked at the required circumcision.

[fishtank]

On the same note, it was either Joseph Smith or Brigham Young who modeled mormonism after islam....

I forget if it was JS or BY.

Elsie, which one was it?

[CharleysPride]

A fearsome vision indeed,
thank God those good German soldiers could not be convinced from their peaceable Lutheran and Catholic ways.

[vpintheak]

National Socilists and islam. Replaying before our eyes.
“But only Nazis and Islamists had a political-spiritual romance. Both groups hated Jews, Bolsheviks and liberal democracy”

This is why I am trying to not call them liberals. True liberalism means more freedom, the left are regressive control-freaks.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

Plus he could have covered up his horrible Emo haircut.

[IWONDR]

“On the same note, it was either Joseph Smith or Brigham Young who modeled mormonism after islam....”

i think you meant it was “fishtank” who suggested mormonism was modeled after islam.

[Vigilanteman]

What an idiotic statement. Mormons in general vote for national Democrat candidates in numbers smaller than Evangelical Christians who attend church regularly.

I haven't seen a reliable poll on regular church attending Mormons voting habits which would likely be smaller still.

Nor have I ever read about any 20th century acts of Mormon terrorism.

[Elsie]

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

• Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

• Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

• Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

• As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

• Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

• Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

• Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

• Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

[Elsie]

Burning in hell for 70 years has probably changed Hitler’s opinion.

It's a bit early for that.

He is still asleep.

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Psalm 13:3
Look on me and answer, Lord my God. Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death,

 

Psalm 90:5
Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death— they are like the new grass of the morning:

 

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
 
John 11:12-13
His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.”
Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.

 

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Listen, I tell you a mystery:

We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

 

Ephesians 5:14
This is why it is said: “Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

 

 
1 Thessalonians 4:13
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
 

[Elsie]

i think you meant it was “fishtank” who suggested mormonism was modeled after islam.

HMMMmmm...

It appears we have a MORMON who is unfamiliar with some Mormon History.

[Elsie]

What an idiotic statement.

LOOK!!!

Another one!

[Elsie]

Nor have I ever read about any 20th century acts of Mormon terrorism.

I'll go out on a limb here and predict (prophecy?) that you will.

[Elsie]

Nor have I ever read about any 20th century acts of Mormon terrorism.

Wanna backtrack that to the NINETEEN century?

; ^ )

[Elsie]

Do either of you guys have a VALID Temple Recommend Card?

[Gideon7]

I wonder if the Lake of Fire will be the earth itself.

We know “the earth abideth forever” (Ecclesiastes 1:4), and the earth “should not be removed forever” (Psalm 104:5). So the earth must be eternal. In 2 Peter 3:10-12 we see the wood, hay and stubble of earth being burned up, but the elements melting (just as in the Christian life). The wood, hay and stubble are burned, but the gold, silver and
precious stones (elements) come through the fire. All else will be destroyed because it has been touched by sin.

Now if the earth “abideth forever”, then the melted elements must combine with the magma and the earth becomes the lake of fire. Then the devil, the false prophet, death and hell are cast into the lake forever. A new heaven and new earth that has never been touched by sin will be the eternal home of those saved by the blood of our Lord Christ.

Peter confirms, “we.. look for.. a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” This new earth will be like a born again person whose old “tabernacle” perishes at death. Also, the Bible says “there was no more sea.” That means no biosphere — the old earth will be sterile.

The pure in heart will live in a new heaven or earth that has never been touched by sin. There will be a separation (great gulf) between the two, and so goes eternity.

So where is Hell (LOF)? You’re standing on it!

Everyone who was left behind will remain right here. If you, I, or anyone wants to go to Hell, all we need to do is to simply sit on our collective butts and do nothing. Sooner or later, whether you are alive or in your grave, eventually you, me, and everyone else that remains on earth will fall in to this burning cauldron.

Or maybe not.

I’m just saying it seems to fit scripture pretty well.

[fishtank]

Thanks! So it was JS...I’ll remember that.

[fishtank]

But the doctrinal similarities between islam and mormonism are there: attitudes about the Bible, original sin, polygamy, Israel, ...

Also,
Neither rerligion has a true understanding of the Trinity, the Cross or the deity of Christ.