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Is Society Moving Towards Accepting The "Piss Christ" Along With The New Cover For Charlie Hebdo?
1/13/2015 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 01/13/2015 2:38:11 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
"And not getting mad at either of the depictions."

There should never be such a march.

You are getting these replies because it is you who have missed the point.

The point of "Je suis Charlie" isn't that you can't be angered by sacrilege. It's that your anger doesn't justify murder. As an agnostic leaning more toward atheism, I am actually offended at some of the anti-Christian blasphemy on Charlie Hebdo's covers. Some of it is genuinely vile, whatever your affiliation. [And was deliberately printed to offend, which was the point of the authors.]

Piss Christ is also truly vile. I would not march in support of Serrano per se under any circumstances. But I would march in defense of his rights.

41 posted on 01/13/2015 3:20:08 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
What do you do with someone that, when faced with an obvious situation/statement counters with, "Well, yah .. but does your mother know you still take it in the ass ?"

shoot 'im


THAT is the enemy we face, and we ... WE ... cannot win

OUR minds cannot win against Satan's and we had better learn that pretty darned quick


I can't begin to count the times we here in FR have analyzed a situation and answered the problems of the world, only to have another entity do something really, REALLY stupid and / or evil and make more of a mess than what we started with.

DAMNED frustrating.

42 posted on 01/13/2015 3:21:38 PM PST by knarf
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To: Mastador1

That is what I am getting to in this thread: evolution of society.

People evolving to where they still have their religious beliefs, but a society where non-murderous types of all faiths temporarily suspend their offense at their own faith being lampooned and marching in favor of free speech rights - in unity.

Will it happen?


43 posted on 01/13/2015 3:22:59 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Will it happen?

For my money? No, not with people who are taught by their religious leaders and their holy book that not only is the depiction of their god cause for murder, but that non believers are no better than animals to be slaughtered.

44 posted on 01/13/2015 3:27:36 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
"You do have a point. Some sources state he was Christian, and others say he wasn’t."

I've only seen leftwing/atheist sources claim he was a Christian. They're dying to prove the myth of Christian extremism, so they're to be discounted.

45 posted on 01/13/2015 3:28:33 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Lady Heron
I think you're right.

Nevertheless, it's wrong for the slogan to be "I am Charlie Hebdo."

If somebody --- deranged or not, religious or not --- ever wipes out the Hustler magazine staff (which I of course firmly and unambiguously condemn), will we protest and show our bona-fides by carrying signs that say, "I AM LARRY FLYNT"?

46 posted on 01/13/2015 3:30:46 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (When you see a fork in the road, take it. - Yogi Berra)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

There is no moral equivalency between the conservative position that FedGov should not pay to support “art” such as Piss Christ and the terrorist position that it’s okay to murder artists you find offensive.


47 posted on 01/13/2015 3:31:17 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“Will it happen?”

No it won’t. What’s this notion of society “evolving”? Society seems to be evolving right down the toilet as far as I can see.

Prior to the rise of Islamicists there was no need for such a march. There was no need to clarify the idea that artists and journalists had the right to express opinions and even mock sacred beliefs without losing their lives.


48 posted on 01/13/2015 3:33:21 PM PST by Junk Silver
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To: Junk Silver

Indeed, the piss christ marches have been going on for a long time at the museum where it is displayed, like a sort of artistic mecca for atheists.

Besides, this is not about supporting atheism, this is about free speech in general. But they twist free speech into an atheist cult.


49 posted on 01/13/2015 3:33:24 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Nevertheless, it's wrong for the slogan to be "I am Charlie Hebdo."

If somebody --- deranged or not, religious or not --- ever wipes out the Hustler magazine staff (which I of course firmly and unambiguously condemn), will we protest and show our bona-fides by carrying signs that say, "I AM LARRY FLYNT"?"

Exactly. We can affirm that the murders are wrong without aligning ourselves ideologically with the magazine.

50 posted on 01/13/2015 3:37:40 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

There is no equivalency.


51 posted on 01/13/2015 3:43:01 PM PST by Ray76 (al Qaeda is in the Oval Office (and John Boehner is their craven servant))
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

A depiction that only serves to be offensive is in no way equivalent to a depiction, that although it may be offensive, makes a point.


52 posted on 01/13/2015 3:46:54 PM PST by Ray76 (al Qaeda is in the Oval Office (and John Boehner is their craven servant))
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The majority of people who espouse the practice of free speech really don’t!
Today in the USA, Mark Twain would be censored and censured! Anyone remember Lenny Bruce?
We have lost words because like the muslims certain people/factions are “ offended”.
We ostracize people who do, even here on FReerepublic!


53 posted on 01/13/2015 3:53:01 PM PST by GOYAKLA (Leftist women are such a damned embarrassment...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

My question is, would our society tolerate a magazine cover with caricatures of feral black youths looting or homosexual child rapists?

No, the fact is what is not tolerated is typically what goes against a protected group and the reason this magazine got away with publishing those cartoons is because France does not place Muslims under such protection (not like England and Sweden do). In the UK however, anti-semitic cartoons are a-ok.

It depends on the society.


54 posted on 01/13/2015 3:53:42 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: GOYAKLA

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/01/13/christians-rally-to-defend-fire-chief-who-wrote-anti-gay-book/

Great example!


55 posted on 01/13/2015 3:55:15 PM PST by GOYAKLA (Leftist women are such a damned embarrassment...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I doubt it. Look, the society is ‘evolving’ down the toilet. I just cant see the kind of societies we have now surviving into 2100 (not a radical claim as its really been around only a little more than a century).


56 posted on 01/13/2015 3:55:56 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: GOYAKLA

Je suis Kevin!


57 posted on 01/13/2015 3:58:27 PM PST by GOYAKLA (Leftist women are such a damned embarrassment...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Better both than neither.


58 posted on 01/13/2015 3:59:06 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I don’t think it is just religious people. Outside of Muslim violence the greatest threat to freedom of speech today is progressives in the name of stopping “hate” ala lgbt etc.


59 posted on 01/13/2015 4:22:51 PM PST by Maelstorm ("I would rather die standing than to live on my knees" Stephane Charbonnier cartoonist Charlie Hedbo)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Taxpayers were forced to fund Serrano and called small minded and intolerant when they complained about the offense.

The ALCU, Freedom From Religion Foundation, et al will protest using public funds to honor Christianity but don’t give a damn when it is used to insult it.


60 posted on 01/13/2015 4:31:13 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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