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To: Sherman Logan
Lincoln made no such offer. He was ready to trade Sumter for Virginia, not Virginia for recognition of the CSA.

If he is not recognizing the CSA then to whom is he trading Ft. Sumter?

Your response is nonsensical.

231 posted on 12/09/2014 6:48:23 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Wasn't trading anything with the CSA. He attempted to negotiate a deal with the Union state of Virginia whereby the state would give up its threat of secession if Lincoln agreed to pull troops out of Sumter.

Nowhere, then or later, did Lincoln agree that secession was legitimate, lawful or constitutional.

233 posted on 12/09/2014 6:55:34 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: DiogenesLamp; Sherman Logan; rockrr
DiogenesLamp to Sherman Logan: "If he is not recognizing the CSA then to whom is he trading Ft. Sumter?
Your response is nonsensical."

Sorry, but we forget how totally ignorant of real history you are, DL.

Lincoln's conversations on secession of Virginia were with leaders of the Virginia secession convention, period.
There were no negotiations -- none -- over the future of Fort Sumter, and Major Anderson's force there.
Instead, there were numerous demands by various secessionist officials that first Buchanan and then Lincoln must abandon Fort Sumter.
Lincoln never acknowledged those demands, but he did consider that a pledge by Virginia not to secede might make the loss of one more fort (out of dozens already seized) Fort Sumter, acceptable.

That's what Lincoln told negotiators from Virginia, but it did not persuade them to pledge loyalty to the Union.

So, I'll say it again: you've had a lot of fun, sir, distorting and mocking real history, but it's time to get over that, and deal with facts.

253 posted on 12/09/2014 1:16:14 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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