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To: BroJoeK
First of all, please don't ever fantasize that you speak for God -- only for yourself, and your own beliefs. So it's entirely appropriate for me to say that I believe God created the Universe with a plan and purpose in mind. That also happens to be what the Bible says.

I never claimed to "speak for God." Where did you get that?

I was merely pointing out that your original statement:

It is impossible for me to imagine God creating the Universe without having us in mind as His end-product [...]

is merely a statement about your lack of imagination. It provides us with absolutely no objective information.

So it's entirely appropriate for me to say that I believe God created the Universe with a plan and purpose in mind.

It is about as appropriate as my saying that I believe that, a million years ago, a little teapot was in orbit between Earth and Mars.

Unless you can provide objective evidence, it is inappropriate.

Regards,

209 posted on 11/17/2014 11:22:02 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
alexander_busek: "...is merely a statement about your lack of imagination.
It provides us with absolutely no objective information."

No, it provides 100% objective information regarding my religious beliefs.
Of course, you may have different beliefs, and may or may not wish to debate which are superior.
Regardless, the fact that such beliefs are non-scientific does not make them invalid.

alexander_busek: "It is about as appropriate as my saying that I believe that, a million years ago, a little teapot was in orbit between Earth and Mars."

Wrong, because by definition, belief in God is a religious belief, not a scientific fact.
So, if you believe in orbiting tea pots, that would be a matter of great interest to... your psychologist.
By contrast, religious beliefs are frequently expressed in places of worship.

alexander_busek: "Unless you can provide objective evidence, it is inappropriate."

No, it's entirely appropriate to a discussion of religion and science, which is what this thread has become, doncha know?

232 posted on 11/18/2014 11:30:59 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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