Just Ask Sodom
Posted on 10/12/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch
This has been an interesting week for me. I have been discussing with numerous Christian lawyers and judges in three states, a possible solution to the lawsuits LGBT clientele bring forth against Christian Small Business Owners for having strong religious beliefs.
We are all familiar with the lawsuit against the Colorado family-owned Christian bakery that eventually lost their business due to their refusal to bake a wedding cake for two same sex clients.
Then there's the the New Mexico photographer who got sued after declining to photograph a lesbian couple's wedding, citing religious objections.
Or the florist who allegedly refused to provide flowers for a gay wedding because of her religious beliefs is now being sued by the Washington State attorney general.
On and on it goes. These people think they can force us to accept their sexual deviance as being normal behavior. I'm sorry, I can't do that.
When a Christian Small Business Owner hangs a sign in his place of business that reads, "Occasionally, we sub-contract work to other local businesses that meet our standards of quality" hopefully this will protect him from these LGBT clientele who think the world works best when a liberal judge oversees it.
What you are saying with your sign is that you will sub-contract work to others when any of theses situations exist: due to work overload, lack of needed supplies on hand, shortage of personnel when someone is on vacation or off sick or the job is so disgusting that you would prefer someone else do it.
You are not required to announce your religious beliefs to the LGBT client who enter your place of business. You are not refusing the LGBT customer request that he or she employ your company to do work that you advertise you are willing to do. You ask the LGBT client all the normal questions that you would any client. Then you call another Small Business Owner whose religious beliefs are such that they do not interfere with them doing the work under a sub-contract for your LGBT client. You get a bid from the other SBO and relay the cost to your LGBT client. They will then either accept or refuse the bid. In which case they are free to search for another SBO to do their work.
Should they accept your bid, you then call the sub contractor and tell him to proceed with the job as you have outlined it in your previous phone call. He does the work, delivers the product to you, you call the LGBT client and tell them to come in, settle the bill and collect the finished product.
The result is a happy LGBT client who has no reason to bring a lawsuit against you or your firm for refusal of service. You didn't have to handle any offensive material and hopefully your religious beliefs were not too harmed that a few prayers won't mend them.
In the event of this being a photography proposal, the same situation exists. You accept the job, explain what you will need. Then tell the client your price which you will have agreed to ahead of time with another photographer who is not so easily offended. When the job comes up and the other photographer shows up at the site for the job, he only has to say that you are coming down with a cold and didn't want to expose the wedding guests to a possible infection so he is the alternate cameraman. The client will accept or deny entrance to the alternate cameraman, in which case you will return whatever percentage of his deposit that you feel is fair.
Numerous judges and lawyers believe this is a workable solution to the current situation. Please verify this with your company attorney and if it requires any tweaks to fit your state laws don't hold them to yourself. Share the information on how we can protect our businesses!
If you know any Christian business owners please copy this text and email it to them. Perhaps send the URL so they can read any comments that FR members post on the subject.
I don’t know that there is a real solution but, wouldn’t sub’ing the work still violate yoir conscience.
It’s akin to clearing your house of alcohol and then handing the alcoholic money to pursue his indulgence.
No, because I am not doing the work or handling the product. I pay the sub contractor the fees he set and I do not profit at all except by not being exposed to a lawsuit which the federal courts say I will lose.
But not before advising them that I intended to use some real special frosting.
Sounds like caving to me.
Disagree with this approach as it can still be prone to lawsuits.
The approach that we discussed earlier this year is that all wedding services come through a Church approved wedding planner or other person that a Church recommends.
No wedding services are to be sold directly to the public; everything via a Church.
The next battle will be discrimination of homosexuals inside a Church. That will prompt another retreat and possibly going underground.
The result is a happy LGBT client who has no reason to bring a lawsuit against you
I am not handling nor making available, to the alcoholic, booze but, I’m willing to sacrifice my stance by enabling behavior?
Let me throw some money at the problem, while I stand on my high moral ground.
Since this is clearly an “in your face” assault on Christian businessmen, I have an alternative:
DO A LOUSEY JOB! I highly-skilled photographer, for example, can skillfully time his shots to make the subject look, sick, drunk, ugly, etc.
As for a caterer, it might be hard to louse up a cake (salt vs. sugar?)—but think what could be done to salads and hors d’oeuvres!!
They are creative—so get with it and retaliate.
They should have the custom-made cakes as a separate legal entity from the rest of the bakery where they sell non-custom made stuff
Later
I like the idea in general, but have one question concerning it: how much of a percentage would be considered legally fair to add onto your standard pricing so that you would not be in danger of being attacked for overcharging?
In the Manufacturing industry, the accepted standard is six percent over cost for a minimum charge. As far as commercial sales, I think whatever the market will bear, within reason. You don’t want to overcharge or you will lose sales, but if you undercharge you will lose out and go out of business.
Personally, I would tack on a standard charge of, say, five thousand extra just because of the extra work and headache that would be involved. Then again, I am not a lawyer so I do not know how that would fly in court if a potential customer takes issue with that.
I am not handling nor making available, to the let me put it this way:
They are treating gay unions separately and distinctly.
Equal Protection Clause.
What are the rules for a placard saying something like
No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service
We reserve the right to refuse any job or service
Debating the virtues of the idea may be pointless; the goal is not to get a cake made but to bring to their knees those individuals who don’t reflexively kiss the feet of the gay icons.
>>No wedding services are to be sold directly to the public; everything via a Church.<<
You want to give the church a share of the profits for simply being a church. The food services, the dress designers, the entertainers, the florists, the housekeepers all would have to apply to the church for a position. Sorry but that sounds like socialism to me.
I appreciate you trying to find a solution but,
a) I own a business and I would never post that I sub out any business as I do not want any clients or potential clients to think it’s not me they’re working with
b) This is the same mind set during Sodom & Gomorrah where they tried to appease the aggressive gays that wanted to have sex with the angels. Instead of telling them to their face they are defying God’s natural law, the guy tried to throw them his daughter as appeasement.
Hanging a sign to make them go away is just not right. We need to be bold in our stand and say that ‘IT IS GOD THAT DEFINES MARRIAGE, NOT THE GOVERMENT’ and Stand with the truth.
Everyone knows what their hourly cost of keeping the doors open is. Personally I wouldn’t add anything because thankfully I have yet to have a single LGBT client. If it ends up being one a month then I would donate my time simply because I don’t want to profit from these sickos.
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