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Nicholas Heien? Nick's your buddy. The kind of guy who doesn't mind if you puke in his car. Nick!
1 posted on 10/03/2014 10:53:01 AM PDT by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed

Why is this even a question?


2 posted on 10/03/2014 10:58:58 AM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: Citizen Zed

Sounds like a bunch of black-robed clowns need the Fourth Amendment explained to them with a nail-studded 2 by 4.


3 posted on 10/03/2014 11:00:12 AM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: Citizen Zed
"Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for motorists, and it shouldn’t be an excuse for the police, either," said ACLU-NC Legal Director Chris Brook.

That doesn't even go far enough to cover it.

The citizen is assumed to be an innocent minding his own business. The police officer is an agent of the state. More accountability to the officer.

The citizen is not in a law-related profession, the policeman is. More accountability to the professional than to the amateur.

The officer initiates the encounter. The citizen would have merely driven merrily on his way. Greater accountability should attach to the person taking the initiative and initiating contact.

4 posted on 10/03/2014 11:06:17 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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It was a good stop. Why North Carolina has bad laws on the books (Only one working tail light is legal?) is a matter to be resolved, but it was a good and valid reason to stop.

But since it wasn’t a LEGAL stop, then yeah. Drug delaer gets a ‘get out of jail free’ card.


5 posted on 10/03/2014 11:06:56 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Citizen Zed

Ignorance of the law will not protect you if you’re caught violating it in the civilian world. It should apply to cops as well. But, I believe in the Rule of Law and not selective enforcement that is so popular to day.


7 posted on 10/03/2014 11:07:17 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Citizen Zed

“Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for motorists, and it shouldn’t be an excuse for the police, either,”

I can’t imagine anyone arguing otherwise.


8 posted on 10/03/2014 11:07:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Citizen Zed

The stop was unlawful. The subsequent search was unlawful.

“Case dismissed, with Prejudice”.

Officers haven’t some mysterious “get out of jail free” card for violating the law.

They are enforcers of the law and once they go beyond that, they are then sanctionable....

If the officer was having a bad, pulled the driver from the vehicle and gave him a hickory stick shampoo, would he be justified saying “I didn’t know it was unlawful?”.


10 posted on 10/03/2014 11:20:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Citizen Zed

How many times has a cop or judge told a regular peon ‘citizen’: “Ignorance of the law is no excuse” - and now they have the gall to ASK this question?


11 posted on 10/03/2014 11:22:54 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Also, how could a cop in North Carolina, a cop enforcing traffic laws, NOT know that it is legal to operate a car with only one working taillight in that state?

I think the cop is a bald-faced liar.


14 posted on 10/03/2014 11:27:50 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Citizen Zed

I am generally pro-law enforcement however, in this case I have to side with the ACLU. If there is no legal probable cause, anything obtained from the stop is poisoned fruit and should not be admissible.


15 posted on 10/03/2014 11:30:37 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Citizen Zed

“Ignorance of the law is no excuse.” Now, where have I heard this before, and why is there even any question that this also applies to police officers?


16 posted on 10/03/2014 11:32:21 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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"Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for motorists, and it shouldn’t be an excuse for the police, either,"

I find it amazing that the most obvious, common-sense situations are up for grabs by the black-robed idiots. Only lawyers can obfuscate common sense with all their jots and tittles, and this is one big reason why this nation is so screwed up, with layers upon layers of legal barnacles encrusting basic laws and common sense.

18 posted on 10/03/2014 12:42:13 PM PDT by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: Citizen Zed

In 0bama’s Communist Amerika, ignorance=reason.


22 posted on 10/04/2014 7:11:34 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Citizen Zed; Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; ...

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23 posted on 10/05/2014 1:55:40 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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