Posted on 08/31/2014 4:26:16 PM PDT by FlJoePa
In addition - you are seriously equating Joe Paterno to OJ Simpson? Are you out of your mind?
In the event, the place he worked at all his life, and devoted his life to, is the place you are calling evil now, and attempting to evade the topic.
I don’t understand what you are asking. The bot caved to media pressure (after an inaccurate OAG presentment). They reacted so poorly that it can’t be properly described.
Surma (at the time CEO of US Steel) had the reigns and he had a vendetta against Joe. (google Vic Surma - his nephew). Surma is who fired JVP.
Peetz (CEO of BNY Mellon) went along and ascribed the corporate scandal methodology - Apologize, pay money, apologize, it will all blow over.
Frazier (CEO of Merck) was Peetz on steroids. He had already scammed the country on the Vioxx settlements.
These are just 3 of the assorted corporate cronies and backstabbers on that B.O.T. feeding at the research trough with a Lion logo on it.
Yes - these are the people who ran/run Penn State, and who fired Joe Paterno for absolutely no reason.
How could John Surma become a trustee if he had a vendetta against Paterno? That makes no sense, and if you thought about that, you'd realize it.
The media never understood Joe. He made them look bad by winning football games with actual students
JoePa is human...
...and a fine one at that...he probably thought he’d seen it all in college football, but obviously he hadn’t...
Might the facts that he was in his 80s and had inoperable cancer had a little to do with his death?
...truly, there are people in Pa who believe that Paterno would still be living if he hadn’t had his heart broken by getting fired...
...the state kind of went loopy after all this happened, and idiotic things were said by Joepa supporters and foes alike...someday, we can properly remember the man-—not as a cardboard cutout hero walking on water, and not as a myopic child rapist enabler, concerned only with his legend...
...it needs to be that way, sooner rather than later...
Read the listserve of former players. Read the comments and tell me that Vic Sr. (dentist in Pittsburgh) didn’t have a Joe vendetta.
...unfortunately, and yet again, you are citing an extremely biased source to make your points...goes to credibility...show us something outside of the Free Paterno crowd...
He made them look bad by winning football games with actual students
...how did that make the media look bad...? Also,lots of coaches have won lots of football games with real students...are you saying the media didn’t understand all of them either...?
"When I went to ESPN in February 2013 to discuss the results of our report, I found persistent misinformation. After I explained the 1998 situation to Mike Golic and finished our interview, he stated Joe Paterno had to have known when Sandusky was arrested. Sandusky was not arrested in 1998.
Later that morning, Colin Cowherd stated that Joe Paterno should have known that Sandusky had been to a grand jury in 1998. There was no grand jury at that time. Cowherd also asserted that Paterno should have fired Sandusky in 2001. That would have required Joe Paterno to have re-hired him, so that he could fire him. All those months later, the false narratives persisted."
I listened to both of these interviews. Both times (Golic and Cowherd) were cordial to Jay WHILE HE WAS ON THE AIR...then immediately turned on him after the interview was done. Golic is just plain stupid. Cowherd is just plain arrogant. Neither care about the truth. They don't think they did anything wrong.
The PSU lettermen listserve is what it is. It’s common knowledge that Vic Sr. had it in for Joe, and guys I’ve talked to said it was never a secret.
They ended up having to ban his access - something they had never done to a former player.
Those are his words - make no mistake. Countless lettermen will attest to that fact.
When you put football above all, you worship false idols. Stop worshiping false idols.
he stated Joe Paterno had to have known when Sandusky was arrested. Sandusky was not arrested in 1998.
...ok, so you caught Golic saying ‘arrested’ when he should have said ‘investigated’...proving what...? what is your point...?
Later that morning, Colin Cowherd stated that Joe Paterno should have known that Sandusky had been to a grand jury in 1998. There was no grand jury at that time. Cowherd also asserted that Paterno should have fired Sandusky in 2001. That would have required Joe Paterno to have re-hired him
...fine...you’ve confirmed that Cowherd is a lamebrain twit who runs his mouth when he should be stuffing it...but we all know that already...
...all you’ve accomplished is to show that much misinformation and speculation was tossed out during this whole mess...but again, everybody knows that, and furthermore how does that differ from any other high-impact event that’s ever happened...?
...it doesn’t prove or disprove anything about Paterno and the Sandusky affair...it is devoid of any real insight...
Joe was never all about football. He was about success with honor. The library at PSU is named after Joe. Not the football stadium.
In 1983 he gave an impassioned speech to the b.o.t. challenging them to raise the quality of the University. He just won a national championship and wasn't asking for facilities or money, rather for the school itself to raise their game.
It worked. PSU went from an afterthought to a top 50 University in 25 years. PSU is the #1 ranked school for corporate recruiting every year (per WSJ).
Ask the former players if Joe was all about football. They'd laugh.
Cefalo nailed it when eulogizing Joe. Joe rode Cefalo pretty hard, yet Jimmy (like the rest) eventually figured it out.
Joe was never all about football
...that is true...
He was about success with honor
...quite true again...but, as I’ve said, he cashed in a lot of that hard earned honor when he said he kept a low profile because Jerry no longer ‘reported’ to him...when without Joe, Jerry never would have been employed in the first place...
PSU went from an afterthought to a top 50 University in 25 years
...you’re engaging in some revisionist history here...PSU was not an ‘afterthought’ until Paterno started winning football games...
You discount the effect golic and cowherd have on an instant gratifiation/need it now audience.
Where do you think most of this very forum learned what they know from this case? You think they read the actual freeh report? The Clemente Report? The Thornburgh Report?
Of course they didn’t. They learned it from espn scrolls, misleading headlines, and blurbs from fools like golic and cowherd.
Where do you think most of this very forum learned what they know from this case...They learned it from espn scrolls, misleading headlines, and blurbs from fools like golic and cowherd.
...that’s what you choose to believe...what I truly think is that you have absolutely no idea where people got their information, and you do them a great disservice by sputtering about that which you do not know...
...there’s been lots of blarney tossed about in this matter...you adding more to it accomplishes little...
I am talking about you.
I don’t care about football like you think I do. I’m much more proud of PSU’s WVB and Wrestling programs right now. I also care FAR more about THON than I do football.
I DO however care about a man’s impeccable 61 year legacy - which was unfairly dragged through every mud puddle between Boston and San Diego.
The ncaa took away wins from Joe and from players that earned them on the field. For no reason. None.
Sorry, that’s wrong.
The scandal should not even be about Joe Paterno or the Penn State Football program. They both played a very minor role in the scandal, sort of like the Quick Mart in the Ferguson, Missouri riots.
Paterno did what he was supposed to do by the book and report the reports about Sandusky to his superiors. He also refused to let Sandusky continue in his position as an assistant coach. Enough other teams in the conference knew enough about Sandusky that he was unemployable.
Sure, JoePa should've gone to the media and done more. He even expressed that regret in the final three months or so between when the SHTF and he passed away.
But the real focus of the scandal should've been the gay friendly atmosphere which PSU President Graham Spainer, his wife and others carefully constructed over the years.
These scandals and the cover-up were a direct result of that construction by Paterno's superiors. It would've been nice if Paterno had blown the whistle early and loud while the gay friendly atmosphere was being constructed.
It might have blown the whole thing up or it might have resulted in Paterno being dealt a similar fate as the founder/inventor of Firefox Mozilla. We don't know.
We do know that Spainer was informed of his termination the morning of the news conference and had the time to prepare a carefully worded statement for the press which "sort of" took responsibility but mostly took the focus off the gay friendly atmosphere he had build at PSU.
We also know that Paterno was informed of his termination about 10 minutes before the meeting/media event begin and had no such opportunity.
He could have been given the same opportunity as Spainer or even been terminated the following day but was not. Which begs the obvious reason why.
The only logical explanation is that sometime later in the day, it was decided by the PSU trustees that the focus could NOT be on PSU's gay friendly atmosphere. And the only way to assure that the topic wasn't even discussed was to blow it off the front pages with Paterno's termination.
See post #35 this thread. Paterno’s own words, (in that June 10th 1974 issue I related to.....Johnny Miller on the cover), tells it all about the man. Cover it up baby!!! Nothing counts but the ‘PROGRAM’ right FlJoePa? In Joe’s own words he states he will not tell about anything.....even if he knew!........and you are gonna see this info every damn time you post regarding this child molesting enabler. (Don’t believe my info?......go to the ‘SI Vault’ where you can look over and read ever issue of SI since it’s launch online.)
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