Posted on 08/19/2014 2:00:40 AM PDT by idov
There are lots of famous Jewish atheists from Sigmund Freud to Ayn Rand to Isaac Asimov to Woody Allen.
How do you think the Jewish community would have reacted if what follows had happened?
A Jewish couple, atheists, artists, puts on an exhibit in which they critique five major religions with artworks and commentary. At the end of the first day the gallery owner comes up to them and says, you are attacking Islam and that means you favor the Jews in "Palestine." This is "racism."
They try to explain that they are critiquing five major religions equally, did not single out Islam, did not mention the Palestinian issue, and therefore took no position on it.
Not good enough. The gallery owner continues his tirade and blames the Jews in "Palestine" for all the woes of the Arabs. The woman asks, "What is your reaction when Arabs blow up a bus full of Jewish children?" His response, "So what?"
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.timesofisrael.com ...
I mentioned Rashi as a source on one issue, the translation of a word. He is a reliable source.
Again, your say so. no credability on your part idov. Archaeological finds of synagogues 200 bce are documented.
While I am one who believes that Jews primarily spoke Hebrew in the first century (and have argued it endlessly hereon), it is simply specious to suggest that Aramaic was not also known and understood. The two are sister languages, readily interchangeable. It would seem more probable that your average Jew couldn't understand/speak Greek rather than Aramaic. And borrowed words (back and forth) then and today, prove it out. Both were living languages, side by side, in close proximity.
In the Hebrew language this god has only be known as Yeshu, which is a foreign name, transliterated. It has no connection to any Hebrew name. The god has never been called anything but Yeshu. The same is probably true in India.
That you will have to source, as every Jew I know, Messianic or not, knows him as Yeshua. Every early text I know of calls him either Yeshua or Jesus.
Aramaic? They spoke that in Syria to the north.
And Arabia to the west, and Egypt to the south. To suggest that Aramaic was afar off is ludicrous.
Interesting word usage idov. unbelieveable ignorance on the history and association of Christianity with Israel - particularly when the first Christians were Jews.
No they are not. As houses of prayer? None. Until after the destruction of the Temple What did they need them for?
So were the first Communists. Does that mean Jews have to endorse Communism? Or be proud of the fact. It takes all kinds to make a nation. Some good, some bad.
And there we have it...The mask comes off. In your opinion Christianity is the root evil for the pain and suffering of modern day Israel. "A parasite" religion by your words. Care to guess 'who' in history called a religion and race a "parasite?" Yep, you know who I am talking about.
So since, in your opinion, Christianity is a force of evil, then you need some obscure sources to 'prove' it was a made up religion. Well idov, I presented just one (1) piece of historical, physical evidence of Christianity as an early 1st Century thriving religion and you have zippo in response. Other than repeating claims already refuted.
OBTW...When that evil nut and murderer Hitler was conquered by an alliance of Christian God fearing nations, they decided to let Jews have their land back.
Finally, try to get the facts straight...Hezbollah and Hamas fires those rockets into Israel. Christians don't. We just lose our heads to the Muslims.
All the Jews were bilingual then because commerce and government went down in Greek. They needed Aramaic because that was the language of the Jews living in Mesopotamia and there was a lot of interchange. But most people didn’t know it.
Yeshu is a three-letter word just like cat. Yod, shin, vav. Once anyone learns a three-letter word, they never screw it up. That’s the only name the god in the new Greek myth was known by throughout Jewish history.
Oh so you pay some mind to some rabbis. You stated otherwise.
And what unbiased historical sources do you have to confirm the rabbi asserted ‘myth theory.’
The fact is that Christians murdered 3.5 million Jews over 1,000 years. Is that evil? If they brought 3.5 million perpetrators to justice then no. But they brought none.
What is the premise here? That I quoted Rashi because he was a reliable source? I don’t rule him out because of his profession. As for the rabbis generally I pay no attention to them whatsoever. What is your point?
You are referring to the root word (Chrio):
khree'-o Probably akin to G5530 through the idea of contact; to smear or rub with oil, that is, (by implication) to consecrate to an office or religious service: - anoint.
The root word is "to anoint," "Chrio," which I suppose is where you get your idea that it means "to rub." It is always used to mean "to anoint", and never only "to rub," although there is rubbing going on when there is anointing. It is used throughout both the Old (in the LXX) and New Testament to mean the same thing: to rub with oil for the purposes of consecrating. The New Testament was written by Jews who, by the way, also spoke common Greek.
Carus has been dead for a hundred years and is an atheist. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you do not have any contemporary scholars to help you on this.
You claimed to be vomiting up a 2,000 year old Jewish tradition. If you do not pay attention to them, why bring it up?
Off the cuff, Masada and Herodium synagogues predate the fall of Jerusalem. Might I suggest 'Ancient Synagogues: Historical Analysis and Archaeological Discovery' which might broaden your scope... Notwithstanding that the Jews themselves hearken the origin of the synagogue to the Babylonian exile...
Porphyry, a Greek philosopher, using textual analysis exposed Daniel as bogus. That finding has stood the test of time.
The pagan Porphyry, in his textual analysis, did not have in his possession an extant copy of Danial predating his theory - We do... And that still does not explain away the great prophet, Isaiah.
There is a litmus test on the Hebrew side as well. Angels do not give their names. He names two. The writer is a con artist.
Yet there he is, among the prophets...
I do not know Greek and I rely on my sources.
You can believe what you want. You have a bunch of numskulls not fluent in Greek guessing words and that’s what they came up with.
All gods are empty words. What happens is the same as cancer with cells. They start going crazy. With words they cause a contagious social disease. These guys came up with a word which became a cancer.
Well let's hone in on your generalizations. You already stated there are only 30% practicing religious Jews in Israel today but everyone is a citizen of Israel. So what if a secular Jewish government murdered millions, would we conclude the Jewish religion 'murdered' those people. Even if Jewish rabbis ordered the murders, did the Jewish religion kill those people? No because YHWH said do not murder, do not shed blood right there in the Torah. So what you would have are Jewish zealots (been a few of those in the past) claiming they are murdering in the name of God, but DOING EXACTLY opposite of what God commanded.
Now your example of "Christians" murdering millions of Jews over history. Indeed there were institutions claiming to be dong the 'will of God' but actually they were acting from their own evil ambitions and hatred. So as YHWH says in the Torah do not kill and shed another man's blood, so says Yeshua HaMashiach here:
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
“Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
“Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
“Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
So those 'christians' who murdered Jews then, now and on Judgment Day will remember Jesus' words that if we love Him we will do what he commands us. Those who murdered in the 'name of God' are clearly NOT doing God's will. They are not following God.
We’re talking of houses of prayer. There were none because they did not need them.
Who’s talking about Isaiah?
Daniel is a fake book. He got in there because of internal politics. There were two rival groups in Israel and they fought a six year civil war costing 50,000 lives.
What you are basically telling me is "I can believe what I want," because you just confessed that you do not know what you are talking about and are "relying on sources". If you are relying on sources, you should, at least, rely on a consensus and not on the one that is the most anti-Christian possible, assuming you did not just invent the reference out of thin air. You cannot claim that they are "guessing words" when you yourself are not an authority on the matter.
All gods are empty words.
So you are just a bigoted atheist. What are you doing on a conservative Pro-God website? Go to a slime pit where no one knows anything where your ignorance has a better chance at masquerading as knowledge.
Ok, the very rabbis who brought you the Christian Greek myth schtick are the same rabbis whose shoulders you are standing on for your base assertions. So you can't have it two ways.
Sir this is not a church. If you have something to say please do so succinctly. The fact is between the pogroms and the massacres during the Black Death, during the Crusades, during various persecutions, the number of murders of Jews by Christians because of their religion, often ordered by authorities, totals 3.5 million
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