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The Army Wants a More Potent Sidearm
neveryetmelted ^

Posted on 07/05/2014 12:47:51 PM PDT by virgil283

"Soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan have complained that the 9mm round is not powerful enough to be effective in combat.

“The 9mm doesn’t score high with soldier feedback,” said Easlick, explaining that the Army, and the other services, want a round that will have better terminal effects — or cause more damage — when it hits enemy combatants.

One of the major goals of the MHS effort is to adopt a pistol chambered for a more potent round than the current 9mm, weapons officials said. ..."

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: army; banglist; sidearm
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To: virgil283

These are cute. Heckler & Koch MP7,fires a 4.6x30mm cartridge and penetrates soft body armor.

Not really so much a pistol, but the hybridized Personal Defense Weapon.

61 posted on 07/05/2014 2:21:13 PM PDT by Kenton
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To: yarddog

This guy?

http://www.warandtactics.com/smf/personalities-aces/oh-that-guy-i-know-these-pictures-but-who-is-he/


62 posted on 07/05/2014 2:21:21 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

Yes, that is him.


63 posted on 07/05/2014 2:25:37 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Kenton

64 posted on 07/05/2014 2:30:58 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I remember reading about ten years ago that during Operation Iraqi Freedom Iraqi soldiers and jihadi mercenaries strung out on methamphetamine and pain killers would sometimes require being shot with at least four, five and sometimes six rounds from M-16’s and M-4 carbines before they’d go down but on round of .30 caliber from a mini-M-14 as one soldier said ‘’put their dicks in the dirt every time’’. On such targets the M-9 Barreta was almost useless.


65 posted on 07/05/2014 2:31:14 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: centurion316
Don’t quite know why the Army chose the Berreta over the Sig

At the time Beretta had a US plant, SIG did not. They do now.

66 posted on 07/05/2014 2:31:39 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: jmacusa

The classic low pressure 45 auto in fmj pretty much just punches a hole in tissue, looking at the wound, it looks pretty much like any pistol wound.


67 posted on 07/05/2014 2:34:25 PM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: centurion316

I have several photos of that SS panzer grenadier one captioning the pistol he’s holding as a variant of the Walther 9mm. Was there such a pistol?


68 posted on 07/05/2014 2:35:24 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: yarddog

I have a P227, and it is indistinguishable in feel from the P226 E2 (enhanced ergonomics, not the same as the old 226).
It actually fits and sits lower in the hand than the old P220, and has less perceived recoil IMO. I have medium to small hands and operating the controls is no problem. The trigger reach seems less than the older P220’s as well.


69 posted on 07/05/2014 2:36:42 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: centurion316; yarddog

Seeing that the FN plant was under German occupation from 1940 to fall of 1944, there were many Hi-Powers produced during that time.


70 posted on 07/05/2014 2:38:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: stevem
My issue with is was it wasn't reliably accurate at a range of just over six feet.

It seemed designed to work in any environment, but also seemed to have quite tolerant ranges in its few moving parts.

My guess is that one specimen had just been "shot loose." If you still have it in your family, a good pistolsmith can "tighten" it up, and you'll wind up with a very accurate pistol that's incredibly reliable.

A stock 1911 out of the box is pretty darned accurate. In the hands of someone who really knows how to true the slide rails, and fit the barrel, slide, link, and bushing (or the barrel directly to the slide, in some cases) and you've got a national match class target pistol.

I know my "race gun" (with a Clark "Pin Master" barrel/comp), built by Leonard Beatty in NC, shoots far more accurately than I'm capable of shooting.

Mark

71 posted on 07/05/2014 2:40:45 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: yarddog

The insignia on the helmet of the soldier to his right is a Luftwaffe insignia. The SS and Luftwaffe ground units often fought as combined armed units.


72 posted on 07/05/2014 2:40:51 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: yarddog

I haven’t had the opportunity. I have a p220.


73 posted on 07/05/2014 2:40:52 PM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: jmacusa

The Walther was the P38, post war civilian production called it the P1. One of the first of what Jeff Cooper called “crunchen-tickers” due to the DA/SA triggers.


74 posted on 07/05/2014 2:41:42 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: jmacusa
It someone with a 9mm round and it goes into them. Hit them with a .45 caliber round and it cuts them in half.

It doesn't exactly work like that...

Mark

75 posted on 07/05/2014 2:46:23 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: dangerdoc

I believe my friend. He was there in a Saigon bar ordered to take out an NVA agent and a South Vietnamese double-agent. He made a mess out of them. Walked in the front door did the hit and out the back into a parked jeep(no driver) that was there for him and he drove away. He tells me to this day “I can still see their eyes’’. He’s now on a full PTSD disability from the VA. Took him a long time and a lot of bs with the VA to get it too.


76 posted on 07/05/2014 2:48:12 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: centurion316
A handgun is merely a weapon used to fight your way back to your rifle

Colonel Jeff Cooper, "the father of modern combat pistol shooting" once said that a handgun was a defensive weapon, while the rifle was an offensive weapon. And that "A handgun is merely a weapon used to fight your way back to your rifle."

Mark

77 posted on 07/05/2014 2:50:24 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

They don’t get back up, do they?


78 posted on 07/05/2014 2:51:31 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: Tijeras_Slim

The best feature of the Walthers and the Radom are they had a decocker. I would bet there are more accidents caused by a hammer slipping when lowering it on a 1911, than any other type.

When I was 18 in 1965 I let that happen to me. Fortunately I had the pistol pointed at the ground. Either the slide or more likely the hammer cut my thumb. I still have a small scar to remind me.

In a way, I am glad it happened. I have never had another NG and doubt I ever will.


79 posted on 07/05/2014 2:55:20 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

IMO manually lowering the hammer on a 1911 with a round in the chamber makes no sense to me. If you have one in the pipe, cocked and locked is the way to go.

The Sig P series (226, 229, 220 etc) have the best decocking system going.


80 posted on 07/05/2014 2:59:07 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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