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Close-up of the ‘Angkor stegosaur’ carving. The trademark scales on the back have made it so easily recognizable that CMI speakers have never received another suggestion for what this animal could be other than a stegosaur.

1 posted on 06/23/2014 9:24:28 AM PDT by fishtank
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From the website:

“”A reader’s comment

Patrick G., United States, 23 June 2014

Evolutionists have often strongly criticized creationists suggesting this artwork to be a stegosaurus. The problem is that one of the first people to suggest this in print wasn’t a creationist at all.

A photograph of this particular sculpture is found in the book “Angkor Cities and Temples” on page 215. The corresponding description of it is found on page 213:

“Roundels on pilasters on the south side of the west entrance are unusual in design. In particular, that at left shows an animal which bears striking resemblance to a stegosaurus.”

The man who described it in this manner was Claude Jacques, a long standing member of the Ecole Francaise d’ Extreme Orient. He lived in Cambodia for nine years where he taught Khmer history at the Archaeology Department of Phnom Penh. By reading his other comments throughout the book, it is obvious he was an old earth evolutionist. His credentials and time in the region should make him an expert in anyone’s mind. Yet he still saw this artwork as resembling the extinct dinosaur more than any other animal found in this area.

Anyone who wants criticize this carving being interpreted as a stegosaurus should start by criticizing this man first.””


2 posted on 06/23/2014 9:24:57 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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The context of the ‘Angkor stegosaur’ shows that it is pictured with numerous animals known to the locals, such as a water buffalo (above the stegosaur).

3 posted on 06/23/2014 9:25:57 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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[ The plates along the back of the animal are unlike all the other decorative designs in the temple walls. One objection is that the temple carvers may have carved the stegosaur from nearby fossils. However, it takes a lot of training and skill to accurately reconstruct from fossils what a dinosaur looked like. ]

I disagree, any culture that deals with people who are butchers and hunter will have a decent idea of what an animal once looked like based off it’s bones.


5 posted on 06/23/2014 9:28:13 AM PDT by GraceG
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Clearly Godzilla.

Note that Angkor is largely ruins, supporting the Godzilla theory.


7 posted on 06/23/2014 9:32:11 AM PDT by humblegunner
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It’s not a Stegosaurus.

There is no Thangomizer attached to the tail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thagomizer


8 posted on 06/23/2014 9:36:59 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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I don’t know exactly what it means but I have noticed that dragons are pretty much the same in all ancient peoples.

They also look suspiciously like some dinosaurs.


11 posted on 06/23/2014 9:43:01 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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I’ve read that some of the Mayan designs look like elephants,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Maizeresearcher/The_Idea_of_the_Elephant_in_Cultures_of_Pre-15th_Century_Americas

And Earl Stanley Gardener, writing about Mexico, said there was a man who bought hundreds of statues of dinosaurs, found in the area.

http://forbiddenarchaeology.blogspot.com/2012/11/acambaro-figurines-from-waldemar.html

http://www.fairservicenz.com/dinosaur/dinosaur-5.html

Scroll down to photos.


12 posted on 06/23/2014 9:43:58 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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Close-up of the ‘Angkor stegosaur’ carving. The trademark scales on the back have made it so easily recognizable that CMI speakers have never received another suggestion for what this animal could be other than a stegosaur.

Maybe it's a curelom?

14 posted on 06/23/2014 9:50:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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The September 2007 Creation magazine back page feature article ‘Angkor saw a Stegosaur?’ showed a stone carving on a temple of Angkor, Cambodia, (a. 1200 AD), depicting what looks like an artistic impression of a stegosaurian-type dinosaur.1 As such evidence clearly supports the biblical view of dinosaurs

I don't get that. How does that "clearly support the Biblical view of dinosaurs"? That's a 3200 year old carving. Creationist dogma says all of the dinosaurs were wiped out in the Great Flood 800 years before this carving was made.

17 posted on 06/23/2014 10:10:00 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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So, Garudas really existed along with Dino's?

20 posted on 06/23/2014 10:28:33 AM PDT by JimSEA
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Yes, they saw it.
The last one of its kind alive.
Then they ground its plates into powder to use as an aphrodisiac.


24 posted on 06/23/2014 11:26:20 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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Actually, though those do look more like stegosaur plates, I think the head shape make it look more like an ankylosaurus to me.


26 posted on 06/23/2014 12:12:07 PM PDT by Boogieman
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Thanks fishtank. There are a lot of “ooparts” like this. The question is, how could they so accurately depict an animal they’d never seen?

Additionally, there are accounts of human interaction with large reptiles that were decimating livestock (and in some cases killing people). Invariably, the people banded together and eliminated the threat. (From ldolphin.org)

The giant reptile at Bures in Suffolk, for example, is known to us from a chronicle of 1405:

‘Close to the town of Bures, near Sudbury, there has lately appeared, to the great hurt of the countryside, a dragon, vast in body, with a crested head, teeth like a saw, and a tail extending to an enormous length. Having slaughtered the shepherd of a flock, it devoured many sheep.’

After an unsuccessful attempt by local archers to kill the beast, due to its impenetrable hide,

‘...in order to destroy him, all the country people around were summoned. But when the dragon saw that he was again to be assailed with arrows, he fled into a marsh or mere and there hid himself among the long reeds, and was no more seen.’

(This chronicle was begun by John de Trokelow and finished by Henry de Blaneford. It was translated and reproduced in the Rolls Series. 1866. IV. ed. H.G. Riley. (cit. Simpson, J., British Dragons., B.T. Batsford Ltd. 1980. p. 60).)

The Bible describes behemoth:

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
Job 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

A huge animal whose tail is massive like a cedar. Elephant? Nope. Hippo? Nope. Rhino? Nope.


30 posted on 06/23/2014 12:51:52 PM PDT by afsnco
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Calling them ‘dragons’ instead of ‘dinosaurs’ might be enlightening...


36 posted on 06/23/2014 2:53:33 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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I do not see why some dinosaurs could not have survived into the last few millenia. Are crocs and komodos imaginary?

There is no reason ,though, to think that a “modern” critter would have to be as huge as their ancient ancestors were-——look how much smaller many modern mammals are than their Ice Age predecessors. Maybe the stegosaur pictured was the size of a cow.


49 posted on 06/23/2014 9:40:49 PM PDT by Rockpile
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Moreover, no stegosaurian fossils have ever been reported in Cambodia. Therefore fossils are unlikely to have been the basis for the carving on the temple.

Then they MUST have seen a LIVE one...

...except...

54 posted on 12/03/2014 11:58:01 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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