Posted on 06/03/2014 7:08:52 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
My purpose in posting this introduction (the post above) is threefold:
First, I want to solicit the help of other Freepers in hashing out what is this thing called "citizenship;" to have their input in regard to both the introduction and the sections yet to be developed. I was never good at long papers and books. My attention span is lacking. This Bowe Bergdahl incident has me steamed.
Second, I hope to see subsequent replies point us to sources, both written and spoken, that address the subject succinctly and with eloquence.
Thirdly, and most importantly, I would hope to see any and all who read these things to take them to heart and consider for themselves how important it is to understand and appreciate what we have in the way of civil governance in the United States, if we can keep it. It will not be kept if it is not taught and taught well.
If anyone would care to collaborate with me in drafting a final document for wider distribution, I would be delighted. The subject touches on many things I have yet to be taught.
As always, I wish all Freepers the best and count it a privilege to be in a forum that bats around the weighty matters of freedom with wild abandon, pride, prejudice, and a zot here and there. -FC
Your name Festus?
We might check into local schools to see how much, if at all, they promote and defend citizenship and its true meaning. I don’t remember ever being sat down and told except in the most mundane of forms, what this is all about.
Wow. I wonder if Charles took it personally.
BUMP!
Probably not. From what we can find, Granddad started out as a Polish Jew named Grabski who ended up in Austria as Johannes Hartmann before setting sail for Canada from Antwerp. By the time he got to Detroit he was John which is where I got my name. He was only 12 years old when he arrived in Detroit with a man who was apparently just acting as his father for the trip and then disappeared.
The SS Mount Temple is the ship he arrived on and its on the bottom of the Atlantic full of dinosaur bones. It was sunk by the Germans in WWI.
So does it matter that Franz Joseph was Emperor of Austria and Apostolic King of Hungary at the time and not Charles?
It doesn’t to me, but no wonder that polyglot empire didn’t last. Their civics classes had to suck.
A belated welcome to your Grandfather. All men who seek freedom are kin and countrymen.
Wow again. The tales of human experience are remarkable in their own right. I’m delighted to learn you have at least some firm knowledge of your forebears in life. I can trace back to great-great-grandparents who emigrated from Germany; a lot of farming or preaching depending on which side of the family. But there was no doubt they loved their country, despite its various battles and weaknesses.
We have a fundamental problem when people do not understand the responsibilities that accompany the freedoms they enjoy (e.g. lack of education).
We have another problem with people who hold beliefs in a religion or culture that supersede the obligations of citizenship (e.g. barbarians).
A third problem we have is with those who do not understand the meaning the word oath (e.g. many politicians).
"Many, if not most, who read these words, were born in the United State of America."
Is this a typo? I would think that those born here who are not made to take the oath have less understanding than those who consciously make a change in their allegiance by immigrating.
My great grandmother’s family traces back to the 1500s. My best known ancestor would be Ethan Allen. I’ve been watching “Turn” on AMC and seeing Connecticut and Long Island family names of people I’ve read about while rooting around in family genealogy.
Emperor Charles I of Austria and Karl Franz Joseph Ludwig Hubert Georg Otto Marie are the same person. :-)
Probably filled out by an immigration official who wouldn’t know one way or the other.
Karl Franz Joseph Ludwig Hubert Georg Otto Marie
So that’s where “Charles” comes from...
Yes, that is a typo. I’ve since edited home document to say “States.” Thank you!
I totally agree that those of us who were born here tend to be less cognizant of our privileges and responsibilities as citizens; that those who seek citizenship legally and are granted the same hold those things in higher esteem.
He was also Charles IV of Hungary. The man had way too many names.
Back in the early 60’s I earned BSA Citizenship in the Community and Citizenship in the Nation.
The requirements may give some ideas. Reqs. changed about 2005 and Citizenship in the World was added. (Probably messed things up.)
I would look for the 1952 version.
And I will google around some. If I were do dig in one of my archival ‘areas’ I might find my BSA Manual with them???
lol
I wonder if he would answer to Marie?
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