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The Hobbit 3 spoilers: details about the Battle of Five Armies
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Posted on 05/22/2014 4:27:23 PM PDT by Perdogg

Spoilers and details of the third installment of The Hobbit franchise, called The Battle of Five Armies, are making fans excited as the first look draws near

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: jrrtolkien; peterjackson; thehobbit
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To: tumblindice

I would agree that having the barrels sealed would have ultimately made it a better scene. Have them float by the orcs, with the orcs arguing about whether to check them or not.


41 posted on 05/22/2014 7:02:26 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Don’t forget about how Shore’s soundtrack was probably the best for a film series.


42 posted on 05/22/2014 7:04:45 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: EinNYC

I think they killed him off “Being Human” so he could play Kili the Dwarf in The Hobbit franchise.

I like his style and his acting. And like a doting grandma, I think he’s cute, too. ;-)

We are no relation, though.


43 posted on 05/22/2014 7:42:49 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: tumblindice
where did Legolas come from?

Legolas was the son of the King of the Elven Kingdom where the dwarves were imprisoned.

It's entirely reasonable he'd be around, even though not mentioned in The Hobbit.

44 posted on 05/22/2014 7:45:01 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: TheOldLady

That’s what I’ve heard, too. Sort of lost interest in the show after he left.

And I agree, he is cute.

And Richard Armitage and Dean O’Gorman aren’t bad either.


45 posted on 05/22/2014 7:48:39 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: Sloth
In the most recent movie, three of the most prominent characters were not even *in* the book, and the plot was distorted beyond recognition.

I don't have a problem with that, in theory.

Most of the stuff with Dol Guldur and such is actually in the Tolkien mythos, primarily in the appendices to LOTR.

The problem is that The Hobbit is a children's story. It's told from the perspective of a funny little person, quite unsophisticated. For most of the story he doesn't have a clue about the larger picture of what's going on around him.

What PJ has attempted to do is take this small, sweet story and turn it into an epic, with the scope and scale of the LOTR movies, which I thought he in general did quite well.

However, I fell asleep in the most recent Hobbit episode. Too much video game nonsense.

My complaint is not so much that he expanded the story, but that he did a poor job of it.

46 posted on 05/22/2014 7:50:15 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I haven’t even seen the first Hobbit film - but I really liked LOTR


47 posted on 05/22/2014 7:52:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Jonty30
I can agree that it would have been very confusing and distracting, because the Hobbits were on the run for their lives against ever-present danger, but they could stay with, Bombadil practically forever, not to mention that this ring supposedly got everybody it touch addicted to wanting oower, but to him it had about as much hold on him as a cheap trinket would have on you or I?

In the story Tom had immense power, but was not interested in exercising it or exerting it outside his little patch of Middle Earth.

The implication is that he is some sort of Maia or something similar who has been there since Arda was created.

While the Nazgul and presumably Sauron's armies couldn't overpower him, if Sauron himself came, Tom would be destroyed.

More critically, Tom couldn't be trusted to keep the Ring safe because that's not the way his mind worked. He'd lose it or give it away without thinking about it.

He just was not a serious or responsible person.

Here's a quote from JRRT on his character: " The story is cast in terms of a good side, and a bad side, beauty against ruthless ugliness, tyranny against kingship, moderated freedom with consent against compulsion that has long lost any object save mere power, and so on; but both sides in some degree, conservative or destructive, want a measure of control. But if you have, as it were, taken 'a vow of poverty', renounced control, and take your delight in things for themselves without reference to yourself, watching, observing, and to some extent knowing, then the questions of the rights and wrongs of power and control might become utterly meaningless to you, and the means of power quite valueless..."

48 posted on 05/22/2014 7:59:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: GeronL

The first Hobbit movie was OK. Had some remarkably silly stuff with Radagast and his means of transportation. Also had a WAY too long chase scene through the orc tunnels. Very video gameish.

The essence of the charm of the book was that it was about a small, utterly unsophisticated person stuck in the middle of great events. He never fully understood them, but by his courage and innate decency he nevertheless played a key role.

Most of that gets lost if you insist on turning Bilbo into some sort of warrior.


49 posted on 05/22/2014 8:03:57 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

There are many who think Tom is one of the Valar, Tulkas in particular because there are a lot of similarities between the two and their wives.


50 posted on 05/22/2014 8:04:08 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

That’s possible, I suppose, though JRR said he left his background mysterious on purpose.

The identification with Tulkas doesn’t work for me. Tulkas was a mighty warrior who delighted in feats of strength. If he’d been around on Middle Earth, he’d have wanted to challenge Sauron directly. Given that he’d defeated Melkor, he probably wouldn’t have had any trouble defeating Sauron.

More critically, it seems likely to me that the Valar were put into a different position when Numenor was destroyed near the end of the Second Age.

Their home, Aman, was removed from the circles of the world, and presumably they themselves were isolated from the world. Rather than going themselves to confront Sauron in the Third Age, they sent minions, the five wizards. To me at least this implies Eru had directed them not to interfere directly.


51 posted on 05/22/2014 8:12:35 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: TheOldLady

Oh, Yes, Please! Very adorable. :)


52 posted on 05/22/2014 8:28:51 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Sherman Logan

Tulkas was more interested in killing Melkor than anything else, but he could only do that if Melkor was allowed to be released from his eternal prison because he finally repented of his creating crimes against the Valar.

Outside of that, he did like to have a good time. He’s about as close a match, based on the clues in the literature to whom Bombadil could be.


53 posted on 05/22/2014 8:31:32 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Sherman Logan

I read it when I was a kid so that’s probably all I need to know


54 posted on 05/22/2014 8:37:49 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: nnn0jeh

Ping


55 posted on 05/22/2014 8:41:20 PM PDT by kalee
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To: Delta Dawn
I was making a parody of the schlock-sci-fi film "Sharknado", where killer sharks are swept up in a tornado and then rain down on the public, biting and killing as they fall to earth. Since Orcs are the chief nasties in the LOTR films, thus "Orcnado".

Soooo. Welcome to my wormhole!

56 posted on 05/22/2014 9:08:59 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: All

I will admit that I’ve come to appreciate some subtle symbolism in the new movies. Radagast’s face represents both the novel and the audience, while the birds who nest in his hair symbolize Jackson himself.


57 posted on 05/22/2014 9:27:20 PM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: TheOldLady

Kili may be “hot”, but for an old lady like me, I’d rather snuggle up with Balin...

Fil and Kili remind me of my grandsons...


58 posted on 05/23/2014 1:30:32 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: schurmann

The show didn’t last long after he left, either.

I agree about Armitage and O’Gorman. They both look great in
their dwarf makeup, but they clean up quite handsomely as well.


59 posted on 05/23/2014 2:45:31 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Jonty30

There are many who think Tom is one of the Valar, Tulkas in particular because there are a lot of similarities between the two and their wives.


Thanks for that. Makes some sense, and explains Tom pretty well.


60 posted on 05/23/2014 4:25:31 AM PDT by Geoffrey
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