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To: A_perfect_lady

The case is not indicated. Nor did anyone claim it was. One can infer that “shakab” by “khazaq” (violent rape) carries the death penalty for the male alone even if perpetrated on an unbetrothed virgin, or even a married woman (another case not specified in Deuteronomy chapter 22).

It’s not at all clear that “taphas includes rape” of the kind indicated by “khazaq”, but it indicates statutory rape by definition of US law, certainly. It is clear that “khazaq” indicates violent rape.


366 posted on 05/05/2014 8:40:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
One can infer that “shakab” by “khazaq” (violent rape) carries the death penalty for the male alone even if perpetrated on an unbetrothed virgin,

No, it states clearly that there is a difference between betrothed and unbetrothed. I've asked you before, but I'll ask you again: what is the word for a betrothed woman (in Deuteronomy 22:23)? Now what is the word in 22:28? Because the KJV clearly differentiates between the status of the woman, not the manner of the sex:

23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

It ends there. There is no stipulation for if she cried out. None.

370 posted on 05/05/2014 8:51:58 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (.)
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To: Olog-hai
The case is not indicated... It’s not at all clear that “taphas includes rape”

Either taphas includes rape, or it's not addressed at all, indicating its complete unimportance to the male, Middle Eastern mind. Which modern day Islam has upheld with great fidelity.

372 posted on 05/05/2014 8:56:09 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (.)
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