Posted on 04/24/2014 11:07:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
LITTLE FALLS, Minn. — A Minnesota man who killed two teenagers who broke into his home can be heard on an audio recording talking to himself for hours after the shooting and at one point, apparently describing the slain teens as "vermin."
Byron Smith, of Little Falls, faces first-degree premeditated murder charges in the deaths of 18-year-old Haile Kifer and 17-year-old Nick Brady on Thanksgiving Day in 2012. Smith, 65, claimed he was defending himself and feared for his life after several break-ins at his home.
Prosecutors, though, say Smith planned the killings. They say he sat in a chair in his basement and waited for the teens to enter his home, instead of calling police.
Smith waited a full day after he shot them before asking a neighbor to call the authorities....
The killings stunned this central Minnesota community and stirred debate about how far people can go to defend their homes. Under Minnesota law, a person may use deadly force to prevent a felony from taking place in one's home or dwelling, but authorities have said Smith crossed a line when he continued to shoot the teens after they were no longer a threat.
Authorities who searched Smith's home after the killings testified Wednesday that they found an audio recorder that was turned on and an operating video surveillance system. The recorder was sitting on top of books on a bookshelf, near a chair where prosecutors say Smith waited for the teens....
Prosecutors also showed images from surveillance cameras that Smith had set up outside his home. The four different camera angles showed Smith leaving his home in his truck at 11:25 a.m. on the day of the killings, then returning on foot at 11:45.
At 12:33 p.m., Brady shows up in a hooded, camouflage jacket ...
(Excerpt) Read more at bostonherald.com ...
So you’d be good if he’d raped and tortured them for days?
What law did he break?
Of course not..why go to that leap, if someone enters your home you have the right to defend yourself, simple as that
Sure, but the point here is that he went beyond self-defense. You seem to be saying that, once they broke into his house, their lives were his to do with as he wished.
Sizzurp: What is it? Sizzurp – also known as purple drank, syrup and lean – is a mix of codeine-based prescription cough syrup, soda and, often, Jolly Ranchers candy.
Where have I heard of purple drank before? What was that kid's name ... Tray something, Trayvon Martin!
Perhaps she was just robo-tripping, on over the counter Robitussin.
Or maybe she had a cold.
Here’s your hero, csvset:
“He dragged Kifer into the workshop, placed her next to Brady and noticed she was still gasping for air.
“Smith stated at this point he placed the handgun under the woman’s chin and shot her ... up into the cranium ... a good clean finishing shot.”
He asked a neighbor the next morning if he knew any lawyers, and that neighbor apparently called police.
He had their dead bodies in his basement right next to his favorite chair for 24 hours and was still not going to call the police.
That’s your hero, csvset — or should I say your vermin.
She was intoxicated.
Yep, a robo tripping, purple drank drinking zombie biotch, just on her way to steal some shi*.
Doctor: Slain Teen Was Intoxicated On Cough Syrup
An 18-year-old woman who was fatally shot by a Minnesota homeowner was intoxicated on cough syrup when she and her cousin broke into the man’s home, a medical examiner testified Thursday at the homeowner’s murder trial.
Under cross-examination by the defense, Dr. Kelly Mills with the Ramsey County Medical Examiner’s Office said Kifer had an ingredient from cough medicine in her system at a level that would make her intoxicated.
Mills said the drug, dextromethorphan, can cause hallucinations, disassociation and an out-of-body experience. Kifer’s toxicology tests also showed the presence of a marijuana metabolite that Mills says had no hallucinogenic effects. Brady had no drugs or alcohol in his system, Mills said
Some here don’t realize that this isn’t a trial to prove that he was or wasn’t being burglarized, or whether he shot or didn’t shoot the burglars.
The trial is about him admitting that he murdered at least one of them and probably both of them, for instance after thinking that he had finished off the girl, he moved her body and put her on a tarp, when she groaned, he put a pistol under her chin and gave her the coup de grâce to end her “suffering”, he did not do anything to contact the law until more than 24 hours later.
““When the female stopped moving, he dragged her by her clothes and into the workshop, too. There, he said, he noticed she was still gasping and didn’t believe she should suffer, so he gave her “a good clean finishing shot,” he said.”
In the winter? In Minnesota?
Clearly you're letting logic interfere with what could be an enjoyable mass of unsupported assumptions.
The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06, except when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in the actor's place of abode.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.065
I don't think a reasonable person believes someone unarmed and dying in front of you is a threat of death or great bodily harm-if he believed that, he probably wouldn't come as close as he had to to deliver a 'kill shot' under the chin
Felony? it depends on the value of what they were stealing. (At least that's what was taught in police academy way back when.) I'm sure burglary laws have changed since then. I do rememeber that burglarizing a garage VS the house would result in lesser charges...UNLESS the garage was equipped with a bed(and maybe a toilet) that got used now and then. Then it could be considered an 'abode' or 'dwelling' and treated equal to the house.
If you take cough syrup and you feel its effects, you've abused it.
You should only take an amount of cough syrup too small for it to have any noticeable effect.
Same thing with aspirin - if you take so much aspirin that it causes a headache to go away, you are clearly abusing aspirin.
Do you realize what this trial is about?
Read post 129, you keep going on about a non-existent trial, making arguments about something that no one anywhere, is arguing about.
What I see is a scared, angry old man. Scared because these punks keep breaking into his house. Angry because the cops can't catch these kids.
Having to shoot two thugs that are breaking into your house doesn't make you a hero. Hero? Who's tossing that word around other than you?
The purple drank drinking skank and her dopey, (dopey in this case as in stupid), friend who felt that they owned this old man's very existance, perhaps they are heros? If they weren't traveling around repeatedly breaking in to people's homes, perhaps this old man wouldn't have to experienced this nightmare.
Hero? Where do you see me using this word? Quote please.
What's that, you can't find it? Because I never called the guy a hero, did I? Is this a typical ploy that you use? Modus operandi? Hmmmm... C'mon show me where I called this guy a hero? Let me know when you find it champ.
Don’t deny it csvset — he’s your hero:
Your hero shot a girl and as she lay on the ground bleeding and disabled he shoots her again. Then after dragging her into the workshop he noticed she was still gasping for air.
Did your hero maybe think about calling 911 at that point to get her some help -— Noooooo
Your hero then placed the handgun under the woman’s chin and shot her ... up into the cranium ... a good clean finishing shot.
And your hero never bothers to call the police —
That’s your hero —
Doctor: Slain Teen Was Intoxicated On Cough Syrup
A purple drank guzzling hottie and her boy roaming the countryside looking to make something happen.
Unfortunately for them they went back to the well one too many times.
The old man was scared because the bastards were back again.
Perhaps he's a freaking loon that's for doctors to argue about. The long and short of it is though, these two dead punks brought this on to themselves. It's not like the old man went out looking for them.
LOL
I would shoot anyone who would enter my house without permission, unarmed or otherwise. I would even shoot you if you were a clown who walked into my house by mistake............
So if you have plans on entertaining the neighbor kids, make damn sure you have the right address...............
So you kill her. Exactly why and how is that supposed to keep her friends from taking revenge? Seems to me it would give them more motivation.
Yep every scared homeowner I know always goes out and parks their vehicle 20 minutes away so that anyone coming up to the house will think it's empty. That sure is the mark of a scared homeowner.
And that fear so paralyzes you that you forget how to dial 911 after delivering the "good clean finishing shot" that makes your day.
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