Posted on 04/14/2014 9:18:43 PM PDT by carlo3b
The USA - Nice while it lasted.
I am CARLO, I’m Italian, no “s”, and where in the Hell do you get I favor Amnesty, in any way shape or form.. Did you read that or somewhere else by someone named carlos, because it wasn’t me, EVER!
Democrat leftists. The jistory of Spanish and Portuguese colonies have been ones that embrace the caudillo (strongman) dictatorships and mob rule. Aside from some good news in Chile South America, central America and Mexico are basket cases.
Are you Hispanic? I am and just telling you what the Catholic perspective on this seems to be. Overwhelming social justice and keeping illegals safe from gov deportation...My family has been on this continent since before 1776....but still Hispanic value orientation.
Tina, I am Italian, and am very familiar with the Hispanic culture from a personal and professional experience.. What my Friends here on this great site is for the most part correct, but short sighted at least.
My experience tells me that there is a great opportunity to sway many in the Hispanic community to vote what I understand to be their natural inherent beliefs..
I am not saying in any way that their lifetime of living under authoritarian systems would change their minds immediately, or that most of them will reevaluate their opinions, but they have naturally ingrained affinity to the leftist propensities to perversions, and abhorrent behaviors, and closer to our value systems..
By adjusting our message, we have a great advantage in the future.. Our current methods are working against that grain..
Gain a restaurant, lose a nation.
Since Nixon-Kennedy in 1960, there have been more than 50 national Hispanic polls taken after 14 presidential elections.
One poll, conducted by Annenberg Research, showed that 42% of Hispanics voted for George W. Bush in 2004.
Every other poll, for all 14 elections, showed that the Republican candidate received 40% or less of the Hispanic vote.
Post Script - the N.E.P. poll that showed George W. Bush received 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004 was incorrect. After an 8 year controversy, N.E.P. was forced to revise that number down to 40%.
okie, your math is insane.
We are adding 1 million new immigrant citizens each year.
New immigrant citizens vote 80% Democrat.
If Amnesty passes, that will add another 20 million, including chain migration.
And, national Hispanic voter eligibility is currently about 44%.
It will go up each year, until it equals white eligibility, which is around 79%.
If we only get 40% of the Hispanic vote, and the number of Hispanic voters goes up each year, the GOP will be crushed, and WE will never win another election.
The US of A surely does. They protect illegals in every way.
Awww... What's the matter? Don't like your "opinion" on hispanics debunked?
The Census Bureau has a 2012 estimate for all ethnic and racial groups.
You can choose national or state numbers.
Once into a state page, you can click for county and city numbers, too.
Link:
Okay, how do we do that? What do we promise them that the dems don't already?
Would that include Poles, Germans, Asians, Scandinavians, etc.?
In a values exam a majority of Americans come down on the side of conservatism, but somewhere between their values and their politics they split with themselves, voting for leftists and identifying with the Democratic Party. Hispanics are no different to the tune of 70/30 percent, and that is generous. Still, the fact that a majority of Hispanics have conservative values means that Republicans should be putting those values front and center to gain Hispanic votes honestly, instead of imitating Democrats with appeals for amnesty. It’s bad politics.
There’s a lot of very positive things about Hispanic/Latin American culture. And many false bad things people suppose (high crime, etc.). So I don’t mean to over-generalize, or promote hatred or bigotry agains Hispanics; most of the reasons why new Hispanics immigrants will be so outrageously left-wing have little to do with their home country and everything to do with the problems of importing millions of poor, poorly educated people into America.
>>Broadly speaking, the Hispanic society, regardless of nationality;
have strong family values,
In their home countries, yes. But illegal aliens coming in from Mexico are a self-selecting group of poor family values. That’s why the abortion rate among Hispanics in America is so high.
>>deeply held religious beliefs,
What religion is that? The Catholic Church in Georgia is 46% Hispanic, but only 16% of those who attend Catholic mass in Georgia are Hispanic, and most of those are from previous waves of immigration. The vast, vast majority of Hispanics are totally unchurched.
>> traditionalist by culture,
Mexico was Marxist since before Lenin.
>> strong gender identities.
Are you serious? This isn’t worth a political debate, but it just demonstrates how all of your assertions are merely presumption. The high rate of machismo is a reaction against the high prevalence of gender dysmorphia. Google “None of the Above: Gender Ambiguity in Nahua ideology” (Nahua: Mexican, Salvadorian) or “Indeterminacy and Gender-Sexual Dichotomy in Hispanic Cultural Productions from the Early Twenieth Century to the Present.”
Or simply visit any modernize, Latin-American city.
True but let's face it were are not talking about immigrants from former communist countries. Those people were educated and had to prove to be smart enough and persistent enough to legally get to the United States from far away lands. When they finally got here they worked their butts off to learn English and most importantly to learn why and how our Republic provides the opportunity they sought so desperately. They became Americans. They couldn't and didn't just walk across the boarder to become an instant citizen with benefits.
Your intentions are good but they are futile. More importantly, I and many other people that currently are Conservatives don't care about the political leanings of Hispanics. We are concerned with freedom and liberty not votes for the Republican party
By the way I am not prejudiced agains’t Hispanics. My brother in law is Mexican extraction. His people lived in El Paso Texas before it was a state. My cousins’ wife is Puerto Rican and her family has been here quite a long time.
Carlo
I will go further and say something completely inflammatory in today’s climate
I have spent most of my adult life in and around Latino life in the Americas
Married to one either
The whiter they are the higher the chance they will share traditional culture and vote as such and not look to government and have nuclear families etc
The more entrenched in Amerindian and AfroLatino culture and ways of life the less likely
And the less successful
Plenty of religious liberal campesinos in Latin culture and blacks too like in AME churches every sunday
BTW....beinvenidos aqui otra vez
Three key conclusions emerge from this analysis:
First, the enormous flow of legal immigrants in to the country — 29.5 million 1980 to 2012 — has remade and continues to remake the nation's electorate in favor of the Democratic Party.
Second, the partisan impact of immigration is relatively uniform throughout the country— from California to Texas to Florida — even though local Republican parties have taken different positions on illegal immigration. The decline does not seem to vary with the local Republican Party's position on illegal immigration.
Third, if legal immigration levels remain at the current levels of over one million a year, it will likely continue to undermine Republicans' political prospects moving forward. Further, if the substantial increases in legal immigration in Senate's Gang of Eight bill (S.744) were to become law it would accelerate this process. Conversely, lowering the level of legal immigration in the future would help stem the decline in the Republican vote.
Three related findings help explain why immigration reduces the Republican vote:
Immigrants, particularly Hispanics and Asians, have policy preferences when it comes to the size and scope of government that are more closely aligned with progressives than with conservatives. As a result, survey data show a two-to-one party identification with Democrats over Republicans.
By increasing income inequality and adding to the low-income population (e.g. immigrants and their minor children account for one-fourth of those in poverty and one-third of the uninsured) immigration likely makes all voters more supportive of redistributive policies championed by Democrats to support disadvantaged populations.
There is evidence that immigration may cause more Republican-oriented voters to move away from areas of high immigrant settlement leaving behind a more lopsided Democrat majority.
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