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To: Yaelle

Did you see the face inside the hoodie with a light on the top? I believe I mentioned that the yellow everybody was calling the sole of a shoe actually turned around and showed its face.

The interchange of ideas is such that when one person says what they think, others engage on the plausibility of that opinion. How well does it fit with other evidence? I have looked at the unpixelated video frames many, many times. If somebody suggests something that doesn’t fit with other frames/evidence I can mention those things and that can be the basis for engagement.

Nobody would engage with the additional information I brought forth. On my blog I posted additional images to address the “it’s Fuddy’s leg and shoe” theory. Almost nobody responded. Genuine inquiry requires engagement with ALL the available information, to cross-examine any opinion/theory by all the other facts. It’s what I constantly subject myself to because I want to get to the truth, and the truth has to account for all the facts. Nobody else seemed very interested in that part though.

Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing whether you have great respect for anything I have done. I have no way of knowing anything about you. The person who warned ABC to pixelate the videos was somebody on my ping list - a mole who wanted to sabotage my research but who posed as a friend.

Why do my enemies act as moles? Because that’s part of the subversion process. We can read all about Glenn Greenwald’s revelations and it seems far-fetched but it’s happening right here. People have been posing as my friends (while laughing about their “sock puppet accounts” over on fogbow, and how they have to sprinkle in stuff to keep people thinking they’re conservatives) so that when the time is critical, they can turn on me and everybody can say, “See? Even her (sock-puppet) supporters don’t buy her garbage, she’s so crazy...” The very same people who will stage their “concern” posts about how they’re very “concerned” about my credibility, or “concerned” about my sanity are the people who have been posing as somebody they’re not just to create that precise opportunity when it arises and is needed.

It’s a way to re-shape the narrative. And it works because nobody in an anonymous community has any idea who anybody else is. Real people might think the video showed a shoe, or moles pretending to be my friend might be pretending to think the video showed a shoe, and neither I nor anybody else could tell the two people apart. By posing as somebody they’re not, the Alinsky operatives are able to re-shape the perception of what is real, and what real people (non-operatives) see and think.

But a person who wanted the truth would be willing to engage with all the facts presented. And thus far, I’ve found nobody on Free Republic who claimed that it was a shoe who has exhibited that kind of integrity. Everybody - including yourself - backed off and called me crazy when I presented new information and asked how it fits with their pet theory. What does that tell me? It tells me that they are either weak-minded and not really interested in digging out the truth, or they are moles. Or they’re chased off by the underhanded techniques of the leadership on this forum.

I hate having to say that because it may offend people who truly do care and are not moles. I have no way of knowing who is who, so I’ll just say that this is how people build credibility WITH ME. Everybody is concerned about my credibility; why is nobody concerned about their own credibility? Credible truth-seekers engage with all the facts. Everybody on my ping list is a suspect right now on sabotaging my research - sabotaging ANY EXAMINATION of the Puentes video.

Moles and trolls are psy-ops. One of the intended results is that those who are true researchers are isolated from each other because they have no way of knowing who to trust. And all that is made even worse when people are anonymous.

My real name is out there because I was involved in real-life activity to try to change the crap in our government. I testified for a legislative hearing for the Nebraska eligibility bill. They don’t let anonymous people testify. Anonymous people inhabit forums like Free Republic, and trolls and moles constantly work to change the PERCEPTION of what the real public is thinking. In real life, where people have to give their name and put their credibility on the line, people have been threatened and so they will not speak anything except the same garbage the sock puppets speak.

Glenn Beck is a perfect example of how the Alinsky stuff works for real-life people. The media was threatened in October of 2008, with the media companies telling their on-air personalities that their careers would be over and they and/or their families could be killed if they reported anything about Obama’s eligibility problem or his Muslim leanings. Beck was silent until some people tried to force him to address the issue, at which time he lashed out at “birthers”. Then he was stuck in that stance. Later, when his staff was being threatened over other reporting - like the communist and Muslim connections in Obama’s regime - he realized he needed to start his own media company. But by then he was already compromised on the eligibility issue and lost a lot of credibility with people like me.

I am saying all this stuff so people can see the methods being employed against us. The regime does this because it works. These methods are why America is in the shape that it’s in. And until places like Free Republic take these methods seriously, it will keep working, and it will happen because places like this are compromised, becoming tools of the Alinsky-ites because they lend their good reputation to the garbage that is going on here. This is why Saddam Hussein made a deal with CNN, to allow them exclusive access as long as CNN spouted the regime’s propaganda. It was a win-win for both CNN and Saddam. The loser was truth, and the lives of the people Saddam wiped out because he had CNN lending their credible reputation to the propaganda of Saddam.


236 posted on 04/04/2014 6:50:07 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: butterdezillion

Butter - I agree with your post. I do not think you are crazy or any of these other names. The idea that the yellow thing is a shoe is the most ridiculous theory yet. Has anyone ever tried floating in a lifejacket while fully clothed? I’m not a 60-year-old woman, but I sincerely doubt she has/had the strength in her quadriceps and hip flexors to get her shoe up out of the water. If she were kicking violently enough to thrash above the surface, why would she suddenly “let go.” Why didn’t Yamamoto or one of the other passengers attempt rescue breathing? Was no one on the flight aware of basic CPR techniques?


239 posted on 04/04/2014 7:36:27 AM PDT by Tillie (God Bless Pastor Manning, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Terry Lakin, and Butterdezillion!)
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To: butterdezillion; Yaelle; Fred Nerks; LucyT; machogirl

I agree with you, the press people was being threatening, Mark Zullo said so, and they are getting nowhere. John Roberts had a Godfather-Thugs-visit and his team was publicly humiliated at a SOUA with standing ovation from the DNC ass-clowns and he later became a turn coat ruling obamaScare legit. It all trickled down to lower courts and municipalities, NOBODY dare touch the Article II. Section 1. Clause V. Even Clarence Thomas said so (Evading), “laughingly grin”. I posted 10 questions here and only got “evading” answer!!!

Stile WHERE is missing Flight 370???


241 posted on 04/04/2014 8:01:54 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: butterdezillion

You forgot the Animal Farm twist. Some anonymous Freepers are more equal than other anonymous Freepers.

Alinsky you speak, Yes, hmmm.

IMHO, you’re still welcome at the cool kids table in re-education camp.


242 posted on 04/04/2014 8:03:50 AM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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To: butterdezillion
Keep up the good work! The methods used to intimidate and silence are ancient and very effective.

For example, ALL of Jesus' friends abandoned Him and one betrayed Him.

Nothing new under the sun, just the prince of the world doing what works for him time and again.

Keep the faith and keep up the good and conscientious work! The truth you tell now will one day be your vindication.

Perhaps on that day we'll then learn why others refused to see it, in spite of all we've been through together these many years and the nature of the beast we've fought side by side.

244 posted on 04/04/2014 8:15:57 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: butterdezillion
Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing whether you have great respect for anything I have done. I have no way of knowing anything about you. The person who warned ABC to pixelate the videos was somebody on my ping list - a mole who wanted to sabotage my research but who posed as a friend. Why do my enemies act as moles? Because that’s part of the subversion process. We can read all about Glenn Greenwald’s revelations and it seems far-fetched but it’s happening right here. People have been posing as my friends .... It’s a way to re-shape the narrative. And it works because nobody in an anonymous community has any idea who anybody else is. Real people might think the video showed a shoe, or moles pretending to be my friend might be pretending to think the video showed a shoe, and neither I nor anybody else could tell the two people apart. By posing as somebody they’re not, the Alinsky operatives are able to re-shape the perception of what is real, and what real people (non-operatives) see and think.

Butter, I have said for years that I support you. I expect my words on FR to be taken at face value. I've been here for a very very long time and I am consistent in my opinions (a consistent as a human being - i do evolve). I am sorry that you are in this situation: real people ARE out to get you, or stop you, so I think it is natural that you fear us all and don't know whom to trust. However, it does no good to double down when nearly everyone here on your side tries to gently remind you that there is a fine line between good open minded research and insisting against evidence to the contrary. A lot of us are proud of you and glad you have discovered the things you have, but not every knothole is the barrel of a gun. I'd be so happy to know that you can admit that some threads one chases don't pan out - and chase another thread. Keep chasing. Just please be careful. The thread with the magic frogmen appears to my professional eye that you may have stepped over the line of logic and restraint. You're smart, you're good, and you aren't crazy. But clinging to very very weak arguments LOOKS like rationality is missing. If your response to me does not agree that some threads don't pan out, and that you understand how it looks to us when the evidence is powerfully weak and doesn't fit Occam's razor, then I do fear you need to take a break, focus on family, etc. Some jobs do lead to mental strain, and you need to be in top form to be a logical sleuth. No, I am not a mole trying to stop you. Just clear your head until you can handle the fact that not every hypothesis pans out. That is science.

289 posted on 04/04/2014 10:36:37 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: butterdezillion

Thanks for the research that you do butter and for putting yourself out there, which not everyone is willing to do.


323 posted on 04/04/2014 12:35:30 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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