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Retired 777 Pilot Calls the Show (Rush Limbaugh)
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 3-18-2014 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 03/18/2014 12:18:38 PM PDT by servo1969

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To: Tzfat

They had another landing strip in sight?


121 posted on 03/18/2014 2:50:56 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: don-o
Air France 447 would be a good measuring stick...and they seem to have found large pieces and been able to identify. But by now, I fear that any identifiable pieces floating in the water would be dispersed too wide to be useful. Probably in 6 months seats and stuff will start to wash up on some shore.
122 posted on 03/18/2014 2:52:51 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: servo1969

Ok, in all due respect to the retired 777 captain, I have some problems with a lot of what he said.

-At 30,000 feet you have about 15 seconds of useful consciousness, much less if a smoker or out of shape, or ill or old.

-An average oxygen generator that fuels the passenger masks only will last about 10 to 12 minutes. 20 minutes above 25,000 is fantasy. That just won’t happen.

-Even with the O2 generator passenger oxygen, they would have little time of useful consciousness. They are there more to keep you alive in a rapid descent after a decompression at altitude.

The simple fact is that at those altitudes there is simply just not enough atmospheric pressure, even at 100 percent oxygen levels, to feed enough oxygen from your lungs to your bloodstream, to keep you from experiencing extreme hypoxia. That is why the pilots O2 is different from the passengers, and feeds O2 through a mask that is held firmly to seal the mouth and nose with positive pressure 100 percent oxygen. The loose mask with the bag is more to just keep people alive in the descent. And not for long.


123 posted on 03/18/2014 2:53:33 PM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: GBA

PAX O2 deploys on most aircraft automatically when the cabin altitude climbs above 14000 feet. For smoke, it can be deployed manually, but I just checked and the A320 series QRH does not have PAX O2 to be deployed for smoke - only for volcanic ash.The flight crew and the flight attendants all have personal PBE hoods for fire fighting (shielded for smoke, with a short supply of O2).


124 posted on 03/18/2014 2:55:19 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Delta Dawn

Or on their FMS. There is “closest airport” switch, and it displays all airports within certain parameters. If one was more familiar to the captain, he may have opted for that instead.


125 posted on 03/18/2014 2:56:50 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat
Having said that, I think the flight deck fire scenario is less likely than crew theft

Agreed.

They also made large course changes a couple of times, which isn't consistent with an incapacitated crew unless the FMS was programmed that way. But if they were diverting to an emergency field they wouldn't have programmed a zigzag routing.

126 posted on 03/18/2014 3:10:09 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: zipper

I think the least likely is pilot suicide. Theft, flight deck fire, and hijack are all plausible. As well, an “accidental” shoot down by one of the countries within 7 hours of KUL.


127 posted on 03/18/2014 3:12:15 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: lacrew

I saw a nova episode on that crash recently. IIRC, they said that because it fell straight down landing on its belly that’s why some pieces are larger than they would be diving nose first at a greater speed.


128 posted on 03/18/2014 3:12:34 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: Tzfat
Interesting. Thanks for the info.

It wouldn't surprise me if on the B777 it was totally automatic, perhaps getting data from redundant dual Air Data Computers or something similar to know and cross check what altitude the a/c is at and if it should deploy, but I also wouldn't be surprised to learn it could be disabled and/or controlled manually.

129 posted on 03/18/2014 3:12:57 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Aria
You’d think the lives of the passengers would be WAYYYY more important than diversity. That could be a multi billion dollar mistake.

It's also at least partially why jihadists on expired visas got training making takeoffs but not landings in heavy jets. That turned out badly for us.

130 posted on 03/18/2014 3:18:43 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: GBA

In reference to the passengers, now we need to go back to your term, deploy. Masks will deploy automatically at a cabin pressure altitude of 14,000 feet or if manually deployed by the cockpit crew.

Don’t assume the airplane will stall at Flight Level 450. I got into it with another Freeper on that topic. I’ve taken airplanes above their service ceiling on a number of occasions. The retired captain that called Rush confirmed that a B777 can sustain flight at FL450. A service ceiling is defined as the highest altitude where an aircraft can maintain a fifty foot per minute climb.

And like you, I don’t put complete faith in the FL450 number until we know more about the source.


131 posted on 03/18/2014 3:20:57 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: saywhatagain
In the scenario many are suspecting, is that smoke began to fill the cockpit.

Nobody is suspecting that, you are projecting.............

132 posted on 03/18/2014 3:42:45 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Star Traveler
I don’t believe that other big plane that disappeared about ten years ago was attributed to Islamic Terrorists.

Which one was that?

133 posted on 03/18/2014 3:43:58 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

On 25 May 2003 a Boeing 727-223, registered N844AA, was stolen from Quatro de Fevereiro Airport, Luanda, Angola.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Boeing_727-223_disappearance


134 posted on 03/18/2014 3:48:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Tzfat
Funny how people can’t accept simple physics. Golden Gate jumpers even know this - water has the same density as concrete at high speed.

I saw those responses and decided it wasn't worth it to engage them. That they don't understand the difference between a belly flop where a human being goes belly first into the water from a few feet high, vs. a large aircraft hitting water while at high speeds from thousands of feet above pretty much tells you everything you need to know about their logic and reasoning skills.

135 posted on 03/18/2014 3:50:55 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Hot Tabasco

My sincere apologies.


136 posted on 03/18/2014 3:55:43 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain
The nose wheel tire is located very near what is called the electronic and equipment bay or as some refer, the E and E bay. An exploding tire, or slow burn could theoretically damage critical components knocking out electric power to communication equipment. And or damage other electronic equipment so as to create a high load on other equipment, causing electric busses to start disengaging.

The burning nose wheel theory has been described as highly unlikely. It has no brake gear to heat up, and is simply a tire on a rim. Even if it was under-inflated during takeoff, the likelihood it started on fire and filled the cockpit with smoke isn't likely. (I've heard two pilots discredit that today.)

137 posted on 03/18/2014 3:56:32 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: lacrew
Air France 447 would be a good measuring stick...and they seem to have found large pieces and been able to identify.

No it wouldn't: "The aircraft remained stalled during its entire 3 minute 30 second descent from 38,000 feet[30] before it hit the ocean surface at a speed of 151 knots (280 km/h)

There's a major difference between a stall and descent speed of 151 knots and a full thrust speed of 500 - 600 MPH.............a BIG difference.

The retired pilot's opinion makes a hell of a lot more sense that all the other crap that has been tossed at us by the MSM..............

But then again, it could very well have been alien abduction...........

138 posted on 03/18/2014 3:58:06 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Star Traveler
On 25 May 2003 a Boeing 727-223, registered N844AA, was stolen from Quatro de Fevereiro Airport, Luanda, Angola.

OK, so what's your point?

139 posted on 03/18/2014 3:59:47 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

This one will never be found and no one will ever know what happened.


140 posted on 03/18/2014 4:02:10 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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