What Do You See?

Good Morning America ^ | Feb 21, 2014 | Butterdezillion

[little jeremiah]

Would you mind telling me what you think of the topic? Which is further discussed with more images on the thread linked below. I am curious about your view of this topic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3130289/posts?q=1&;page=201

[Marine_Uncle]

RE: "Would you mind telling me what you think of the topic? Which is further discussed with more images on the thread linked below. I am curious about your view of this topic."

I have not followed 90% or so of the comments afforded in this post as well as a number of very similar. I try to be fair and respectful to those that ping me on things. But I have not spent the time required for how should we say careful analysis in what many of the pictures might mean.
I cannot be more honest then that. I tend very strongly to respect the opinions of say Fred Nerks for one, that have contributed a number of responses.
But beyond that. Sorry. I would be misleading you if I where to chime in and make sense of a number of the unknowns demonstrated within the set of pictures.
You take care.

[little jeremiah]

Thank you very much for your reasonable reply; pretty much sums up my POV as well. Except that I have read more of the thread.

I can’t tell what I see or don’t see.

[Greenperson]

I’ll quickly try to answer your question. It’s hard to determine what I see.

Fred Nerks is correct. It would help if you captioned each photo with what you think you see and ask us whether or not we agree.

The person that Fred believes could be Fuddy, imo, is not Fuddy. It’s a man. A thin one, possibly young, but certainly with skinny ankles and what look like a man’s shoes.

Are you sure that these photos are in sequence? You said that you extracted them frame by frame, but can you tell if there’s an editing splice?

The image of Kawasaki treading water seems to be from earlier in the sequence of events.

You correctly identified Kawasaki. I originally thought that was Fuddy or one of the other women.

Do we know that this video runs in real time? Could the network(s) have cut it and spliced parts together, out of sequence, for whatever reason?

This scenario is believable: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3130289/posts?page=222#222

“What we could have is a attempted fake death by “going down with the plane”, only to have the poor Lady have a heart condition activate and die in the water.

Assuming Fuddy is dead of a heart condition, then the failed “witness protection program entry” would result is a perfectly normal Catholic Funeral service with an open casket.”

[4Zoltan]

IMO, the slim guy in black is the guy who swam to shore (forgot his name, to lazy to look it up). You can see him in a black shirt (unknown pants color) in the early video while Puentes is holding onto the wing and the others are exiting the door. He is first to the left of the door and then he moves over to the wing.

[Fred Nerks]

IMO, the slim guy in black is the guy who swam to shore (forgot his name, to lazy to look it up)...

I'll suggest the same to you as I have been trying to say all along, it's no use making comparisons with WORDS, you need to show the image to which your comment refers.

I'm guessing, by 'the slim guy in black' you mean the underwater image above, is that right?

That image is one of 10 from the sequence posted by Ray76 on the locked thread. (And I'm too lazy to go back again and give you the exact link) but when you find it, you will see that the sequence is identified by the letters ZJ through to ZS.

That represents, I think, TEN times a still of the same person was captured from the video, and loh and behold, that person ISN'T MOVING in any of them. So it isn't 'the swimmer' because it would be reasonable to see his arms and legs and body might have moved in that sequence.

One could therefor be forgiven for thinking that the sequence shows someone who is probably not conscious.

Slim? Hardly. She was obese, and fat rises. I think some belly fat might have ended up somewhat compressed into her diaphram, and that's probably what contributed to her death. Cut off the air supply to a possibly already compromised circulatory system. I'm guessing. I wasn't at the autopsy.

What has been repeatedly referred to as an arm in some of the stills is actually that part of the lifevest which fastens across the back, without that, the vest wouldn't be attached to the body and would be useless. As it was, the jacket was barely sufficient to hold her face out of the water. Her bulk may have almost exceeded the capacity of the jacket, which may or may not have been sufficiently inflated.

Where her arm is, is the white sleeve, which, if you look closely at the sequence of 10, shows patches of the purple pattern of the jacket she was wearing.

And that's what leads me to believe that the 10 images show Fuddy. And with that said, I broke my promise to myself to stay away from the subject.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3130289/posts?page=102#102

IMAGES SEQUENCE

[Fred Nerks]

I think that's the same sleeve. One from the photograph on the island, one from the video still inside the aircraft, and the third from the underwater still:

[WildHighlander57]

Right, that guy is in the water close to the door at first; you can see his grey hair.

The guy that swam to shore has grey hair and a green (dark dark green when wet) shirt.

You can see the dark green shirt in the scene when he is reaching over with his arm when taking a swim stroke (scene where people are hanging onto wing and yamamoto n Fuddy are near door).

So this pic underwater may very well be that guy.

Definitely not Ms Fuddy; body shape is not right for it to be her.

[WildHighlander57]

Greenperson, butterdezillion, exmil_UK

Greenperson,

You are spot on, the news chopped it up and we have to stitch it back together.

Figure the order of exit based on the seating arrangements (with maybe a couple exceptions ;) ) and that can be used to figure out who is who in some of those pix.

Start from the cabin views, I.D. who is wearing what, and note the unknowns, then it could be pieced together.

[4Zoltan]

That’s the slim guy I meant.

Here is Ray76’s link to the images:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3130289/replies?c=102

But I’m confused.

How long in real time is the sequence of images?

Some of the images appear to be duplicates of the exact same image.

ZK and ZN are identical even down to the white reflections in the water.

ZM, ZP, ZR and ZS are the same image.

ZO and ZL are the same image.

[4Zoltan]

There is movement

ZK versus ZJ.

In one the knees are bent closer (ZK) to chest than the other (ZL).

I don’t have access to my regular computer (working on an iPad) so I can’t post the images right now.

[Fred Nerks]

One knee is a little closer to chest than the other? That suggets rigor mortis hasn’t set in, not that she’s treading water.

Is it really that difficult to maybe accept what you are looking at might be an unconscious Fuddy? The question being asked, the entire purpose behind the sequence of posted images was the qiestion:

WHAT DO YOU SEE?

I answered the question to the best of my ability. I happen to see what looks like Fuddy and she’s not moving. Any difference in the position of her knees is probably due to water turbulence. She might be bobbing up and down with the waves, but that’s NOT the same as treading water.

[Fred Nerks]

All that's left really is try and understand why her sleeve isn't showing in some of the images in the sequence, and only another look at the video will answer that question, I assume it's because the light source was interrupted by something on the surface, probably by another survivor moving close to her, and as it's Puentes taking the video, it was probably he who got between her and the sun.

When her sleeve isn't showing, it's possible to assume that is an ARM - but it isn't. It's part of the lifevest, which goes around the back. So let me make this suggestion:

Instead of replying to my comment by telling me what IT ISN'T, how about simply stating what IT IS, in your opinion?

[Fred Nerks]

I posted four images of the ‘person’ - and you are correct, two appear to be identical. I picked them at random from the ten that were in that sequence.

[Fred Nerks]

Now I looked again, and there are THREE that are the same. Serves me right, I did say I wanted nothing more to do with it, and then got sucked in again. Don’t ping me please, if I get any more frustrated I’ll do my computer and injury.

[Marine_Uncle]

Your welcome. I have been rather tied up with trying to fix a lot of things that went goofy on my system or I would have answered sooner.

[4Zoltan]

If some of the images are identical what does that say about the time frame in which they were taken.

If the entire sequence is only a fraction of a second how much movement would you expect?

[Fred Nerks]

...If the entire sequence is only a fraction of a second how much movement would you expect?

It's a dead Fuddy in my opinion, the question asked is 'what do you see?' and I see a dead Fuddy. She's been good enough to make it easy for us to ID her by wearing the same jacket she wore on the island and was shown in the video as still wearing in the aircraft, some of which color and pattern shows in the video still from underwater. Now it's up to you to say what you see, not to tell me you don't see what I see. Get it? And no more pings please. I'm through with it. It seems like this entire thing was set up (unintentionally)to make us disagree with each other and with a bit of luck, get banned or suspended. She's dead. Get over it.

[4Zoltan]

Have a good night or day.