[bgill]

It looked, upon initial examination, like you had to have really overweight birds sitting on the perches to open up the feeder.

We have a zillion squirrels and two zillion birds. Never had a problem with the trees rats getting into the bird feed. The feeders are hung from the rafters and they don't rope climb. The dove are quite chubby and about the size of small chickens. They look like owls sitting on the fence.

[Silentgypsy]

Wow—your doves would flummox our bird feeder!