Posted on 02/02/2014 8:26:55 AM PST by B4Ranch
The problem with anarchy is that it leads to future tyranny by warlords.
What are we living under now if this isn’t tyranny?
Thugs have guns too.
To prey on others they join together in gangs.
In self-defense, the rest of us also must band together. Which leads directly to the emergence of leaders, rules (laws), etc.
It should be noted that criminal gangs in such circumstances have an inherent advantage over the rest of us. They choose when and where to attack. By the time decent people get themselves together to fight back, the gang has moved on or dispersed.
Since food has to be grown, the decent people of the world cannot stay together permanently to defend each other, they have to disperse to deal with the tasks of survival. Historically the way this was handled was by the people designating one man as King (Duke, Count, etc.), who kept enough thugs around him in his Brute Squad to squash any competing gangs. (To be accurate, the King more often designated himself.)
This of course left the people totally vulnerable to oppression by the King and his Brute Squad, but oppression by one is preferable to free-lance oppression by many, and at least the King had a vested interest in keeping his people alive and productive.
AFAIK, the only truly pacifist and (more or less) anarchic society on record is that of the Moriori. It’s interesting to look up what happened when they encountered a non-pacifist society. In this case, it was’t whitey, it was their warlike cousins the Maori.
The Maori enslaved, raped, murdered and cannibalised the Moriori.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_people
Correctamundo! Only the shell of our republic remains. Its guts are rotted. One of my faults is I normally check out the morning C-Span show. If the rats that infest that show are typical of their brethren, it means a large minority think the purpose of congress is to do as Obama orders them.
Family will always hinder the extent your coterie can explore to find these people - raiders who are dedicated and have no fixed assets to keep them tied to a place. And then there will be others who will use that opportunity to attack the family left behind.
This is why societies form governments, even autocratic ones. Raising families requires a level of stability anarchy is insufficient in providing.
Very well said. Hostages to fortune and all that.
True.
With today’s weapons where hunting shots from 600 yards are not uncommon, thugs would have to walk very lightly because bounty hunters definitely would be amongst the thousand yard plus shooters. Which brings to mind, “Don’t bother to run. You’ll just die tired.”
>>The Maori enslaved, raped, murdered and cannibalised the Moriori.<<
Pacifists need to form relationships with those who will fight. I am sure some arrangement could be formed. “Only the strong will survive” is not just a saying. It is the truth.
Uh huh.
More like frogs in a pot. Do it gradually and Americans will accept all forms of tyranny as law - Patriot Act, NSA, de-facto militarised police forces, some of the highest cops-to-citizen ratios on the planet, insane drug laws, TSA, a societal tracking and mapping system that connects everyone with nearly everything they do, via a personalised government-issued number - the SSN., what have you.
The grandest one yet is the illusion that America is not a one-party state.
The frontiers women and children who were left at home when the men went out trapping and hunting were all well trained and adept at protecting the homestead with rifles from wandering Indians and ne’er do wells who came begging for food. I foresee such things happening again should government collapse.
If you like fantasies about American libertarian anarchist everybody-armed societies, you might look at the novels of L. Neil Smith. Not a terribly good writer, but entertaining in a wish-fulfillment way in small doses.
The wandering Indians have nothing against professional raiders with every kind of weapon at their disposal.
I believe the traditional relationship between fighters and non-fighters is some variant of serfdom/slavery.
When I think of the hysteria the two men from Washington caused when they went sniping, I am not the least concerned about police authority. Sure we may have more now than ever before but they are also the most inept bunch I have ever seen. This is obvious because we see them brutalize the person they are arresting more often than not.
I had a man train me when I was in the service how to bring a man to his knees with just a simple quick move. Why are the police not trained in these moves? Most of them are over muscled or too fat to move quickly. The rest are shy of the required brain power.
They went from nightsticks to Tasers when they lowered the IQ standards for LEOs.
Not true:
Yes, there has. And yes, there is. See my post #75.
You don’t seem to have any faith that people can learn new skills to meet the changing demands. Why not?
Thank you. I will go through them tonight.
Raising a family ties people down. If it’s a contest between a set of people whose primary occupation is raising families and another set of people with killing and looting as their mode of existence with either group having access to the latest weapons (the latter, in fact, able to afford more for weapons because these are their primary tools) the latter will always win. There’s a limit to how much resources a person can dedicate, if he or she also has family to take care of. Increasing these resources requires large scale pooling, which inevitably leads to government. The farmer’s taxes go into funding the army that’ll protect his property from enemies afar.
While I agree with what you say, I am curious what the results would be if the original band of thugs, some were quickly killed with the remainder given quick vigilante trials and hung for all to see. I think that would temper the desire to become a roving thug for a good 20 years or so.
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