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To: Viennacon
I think the discussion we should be having here is the difference between a Libertarian and a conservative. Many of us feel betrayed by so called "conservatives" when they show their libertarian leanings, but many don't really understand what a libertarian is. Being gay neutral isn't even on the libertarian radar, but for a conservative, it is a deal breaker. Moral issues are a big thing for a conservative because they believe God punishes or rewards according to His Laws, but a libertarian can't see the connection and concentrates on "How does it affect me?" Ergo S.E. Cupp will speak eloquently on a tax cut, but supports Gladd because she is an atheist. This confuses conservatives, but when you understand libertarians, you get what you paid for. Libertarians have been fooled into thinking the Founders were libertarians and their belief in God was just an incidental side issue. Stossel will look you in the face and tell you he doesn't believe, but supports your right to believe as long as it doesn't interfere with him. So when you have a pedophile homosexual taking your son camping in the Boy Scouts, he doesn't see the problem.

Beck is running into a conundrum because he prides himself as a libertarian, but he puts weight on his faith. He is setting himself up for a test of his faith he can't answer just yet. I have been though this myself. I have tried to be libertarian several times in my life, but eventually it becomes about more than a tax cut. When you say you are Christian first, you must be willing to turn on anybody or anything to follow Christ. I think it can be easily proved that God rejects homosexuality by any number of Bible verses that describe what He thinks of the practice. In Leviticus 18:22, He even says the LAND will vomit you out if you allow the abomination in your country. A homosexual is a sinner, just as we all are, and requires repentance and the Blood of Jesus to cover, for forgiveness, but if America allows the practice in law, I fear for America and God's judgement.

This thinking is waaaay over a libertarians thought process. If a homo is locked in a bedroom with their partner, they can't fathom what anyone would find objectionable and look at fellow conservatives as bigots. Beck is talking himself into a corner, but doesn't realize it yet. To keep his wide open to sin and filth stance, he must confront the Word of God with a raised fist, and declare, "I don't care what you think!" He says his faith is dear to him and saved his life. If that's true, he must make a choice and it would be a shame to pick Gladd. If he chooses God, you should expect the Duck Dynasty response of utter condemnation from the world.

If you look at the totality of libertarians, you find most are atheists, or they are in the same conundrum Beck is in now. You can't square Christ and libertarianism. S.E Cupp and Stossel have no problems because they don't believe in God. Eventually Beck will be destroyed, or disillusioned. He can't stay where he is.

77 posted on 01/22/2014 8:22:01 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles

This is a very good post.


78 posted on 01/22/2014 8:30:21 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: chuckles

Most accurate commentary yet. Thank you for that.
I think the problem is that most libertarians don’t actually know what libertarianism is, and its not a definite ideology. They will say they want drug legalization and the Fed dismantled, but will they declare they want public school abolished? Having the government educate kids is an affront to libertarianism, but they would likely shrink away from that. I think one can only conclude that libertarians today are actually just old-fashioned populists. They ride economic liberty because its in vogue, yet take social liberalism along with it, because its in vogue.

But its important to note this does not include all libertarians. Ron Paul has said some not very favorable things about homosexuals, and publicly declared in a debate that the government should not perform marriages at all.
BUT look at some of the people Paul associated with closely. His new home schooling curriculum is done in conjunction with one of the most prominent advocates of dominion theology, (also known as ‘Christian Reconstructionism’ or ‘Hard Theonomy’), Gary North. Paul has some roots in this movement as well. In fact, many on the left have accused him of being a front for people who want the federal controls dissolved so they can run individual states and townships as they see fit, under religious orders.

The libertarian movement in the US is not simple, nor anything fun to be poking around in. You need only attend a Ron Paul event to find some very strange people, not just conspiracy theorists.

But I don’t think Glenn is a libertarian. He’s just a populist. He’s trying to make money and he’s willing to disobey God to do that. He wants to be ‘trendy’ so he’s climbing in bed with the left. Like you say, I think he’ll end up destroying himself. “The Land will spit him out!”


79 posted on 01/22/2014 8:39:01 AM PST by Viennacon
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