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Sorry, I didn't pick up on that. As I said elsewhere on this thread, most of these "demonstrations" are following the same template as the "demonstrations" done with ESP in the 1970's and 1980's. Flawed experimental design or deliberately fraudulent "experimental" design, coupled with a few gullible outsiders and some very gullible investors.

When professional magicians were called in to investigate, claims of ESP rapidly evaporated, or the proponents claimed that the "negative psi effect" of skeptics was destroying their work. And of course, there were conspiracies against them by "establishment scientists."

So when somebody challenges me that I would be unable to detect the fraud [of course because there isn't any], my reflexive reaction is: "Jeez, yet another one of KevmozKidz. Could you all just go down the Vortex, Puh-lease?"

Is there something there? Not in Mills or Rossi's "reactors." On that score I think we can be pretty sure. These are straight-up fakers shaking down rich people with more money than brains. On some of the other experiments I'm semi-agnostic [leaning skeptic], thinking artifacts, ambient contamination, and at a very outside chance some metastable lattice configuration or phonon-coupling interaction specific to certain metals that releases anomalous energy but isn't a viable power source. Some funding is going to people who aren't crackpots or frauds. We'll see.

427 posted on 01/31/2014 10:42:59 AM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna; Lx

most of these “demonstrations” are following the same template as the “demonstrations” done with ESP in the 1970’s and 1980’s.
*** These guys are claiming real world results that are measurable. When they fail, they fail in the face of real world results. They’re not claiming to get energy from the void.

When professional magicians were called in to investigate, claims of ESP rapidly evaporated, or the proponents claimed that the “negative psi effect” of skeptics was destroying their work.
***And when I point out that at least 2 of the scientists who investigated Rossi’s claim were on the Skeptics Society, that ain’t good enough for you guys who have such a high asshole*bandwagon index.

So when somebody challenges me that I would be unable to detect the fraud [of course because there isn’t any],
***Well, did you? Is failure fraud? How about those hundreds of $billions of fraud pissed down the Controlled-Hot-Fusion rathole? Nahh, you won’t talk about that because the asshole*bandwagon index is high for CHF, low for LENR.

my reflexive reaction is: “Jeez, yet another one of KevmozKidz. Could you all just go down the Vortex, Puh-lease?”
***Well, aint that an excellent example of someone simply acting like a pure asshole?

On some of the other experiments I’m semi-agnostic [leaning skeptic], thinking artifacts, ambient contamination, and at a very outside chance some metastable lattice configuration or phonon-coupling interaction specific to certain metals that releases anomalous energy but isn’t a viable power source.
***That’s news to me. Artifacts? Not according to the LEADERS in instrumentation artifact error, National Instruments. Contamination? How is that possible across 14,700 replications? It ain’t. metastable lattice configuration or phonon-coupling interaction specific to certain metals that releases anomalous energy? Well, once we get past your pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo, it’s pretty much what I’ve been saying all along, well before Rossi got here. But you focus so much of your energy on nonscientific bullshit that your position has been obfuscated completely. At least that draws you back from being a skeptopath, you’re just very skeptical and don’t seem to be able to elaborate your views without engaging in freshman level logical fallacies.

Some funding is going to people who aren’t crackpots or frauds. We’ll see.
***Just like you keyed up on LX, I look forward to the LENR skeptopaths keying up on you for just such a statement.


432 posted on 01/31/2014 12:55:14 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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