Posted on 01/15/2014 4:26:24 PM PST by Kevmo
I don’t think you could find a way to transmit that much electrical power in such a small volume.
I’m still waiting for your citation.
Hey, these guys are publicly putting their credentials on the line. You aren’t. You’re the one pushing pseudo-scientific twaddle and yet, at the same time, you seem to have trouble with freshman level critical thinking. I don’t see you posting on Vortex. I know, I know, it’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about. But maybe you can get away with it for a few weeks before you’re found out, and wouldn’t that be fun for a skeptopath like you?
The article says explicitly: The fuel can be continuously fed into the electrodes to continuously output power. A 1MW pulse is not continuous output power.
The hot (read:real) fusion researchers have never promised their funding sources that they will have a commercially viable product in 12-18 months. This particular conman did. Four years ago.
Yeah, but other people need to know not to put their money into this junk science.
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I can’t even grasp spending 60 Million dollars on what is basically a basement science experiment, using wisely chosen surplus components.
***Then I look forward to you loudly proclaiming your concerns about junk science and fraud on hot-fusion threads, since hundreds of $billions have been pissed down that rathole for no result. I’ll make a prediction right now: We will not be seeing you on such threads, because your overheated “concern” is just a form of bandwagon skeptopathic piling on.
And yet, the remarkable thing is that these devices -- just like the E-Cat -- for some reason have to remain connected to commercial power. And this fact does not raise any red flags for you.
Now, you can dispute my education all you like, but even as a sixth grader I would have been very skeptical of a "power source" that is unable to operate on its own.
Unfortunately, as in the case of con man Rossi,
***Rossi was convicted of Tax evasion, not fraud. Not that we can expect you to be aware of significant facts on things that are important to you. BTW, this isn’t a Rossi thread. You always bring it back to him, because you like to pile it on, as a bandwagon jumper. Otherwise, you’d be sticking to scientific arguments. We see precious few of them from you.
sometimes the gullible are highly educated people, even PhD physicists.
***Gosh, that sure sounds a lot like you. Let’s see how a bandwagon-jumping-gullible would approach such a subject. “There’s $hundredsofBillions at stake, so my bandwagon phycisist friends would lose their jobs if there’s anything to this LENR stuff. LENR guys have very few resources. So they are the ones to pick on, while I back up the bandwagon hot-fusion boys”. Yup, that’s a lot like how you argue. Not much value in it. Very little to further the science behind the effort, and with your particular predilection towards using freshman level classic fallacies, basically useless. Maybe you should go back on the guvmint teat whwere you were so happy.
Kevmo, your first course of study should be to read about energy vs. power.
Power is not energy. I doubt Nifster can discharge his static collection of electricity at a rate to give a MW power output, using his finger and doorknob. But that’s not to say that a capacitor bank charged to the same level couldn’t deliver that power level, given the right bank voltage, good conductors, awesome triggering mechanism. Energy is power * time.
When these con men give power in to power out ratios, I just immediately think: SCAM. Because no one in that industry (the industry of power generation), thinks of energy in Watts. Because Watts ARE NOT energy. No way, no how. It’s all about Watt-Seconds or the basic Joule.
This is not to say that in certain conditions, efficiency is well measured by power in to power out. Like a audio amplifier, but this is simplified only because the measurements are of steady state power conditions. But this fuel cell “tech” is not a power amplifier, it is supposed to be a power reactor. Power reactors are measured in watts to the casual observer (and evidently con men, too). But really what a megawatt reactor means is that it can supply a megawatt of power continuously, which is directly translatable to a joule capacity.
In these cons, they pulse their reactors, one shot, and then give us the output wattage numbers. Given this measurement technique, you can generate any power output you want (given the right circuits), if you don’t reveal the time of the output pulse. Theoretically, if you had the best switches ever devised, a very efficient switching boost power supply, and a nice capacitor bank, you could get a megawatt pulse from a cellphone battery! It would’t be a very long pulse at all, but it could be at the megawatt level for some nanosecond or so...
In actuality, the scammer’s press releases are accurate in a legal sense, but otherwise viscously misleading, since it tells us nothing of substance.
You don’t know the difference between power and energy.
I think that says it all.
Since they chose the wording “can” vs. “did”, you can bet it was a single shot deal.
Plus, it pretty much had to be a single shot deal at the power density they were operating at. Nothing I know of can withstand temperatures that would be reached for very long at all.
When trained magicians were brought on the scene,
***Yeah, right. Let’s see how well you would do.
You have a resistor to measure. Electricity in, heat out. 100Watts in, 99 Watts of heat out. You verify the measurement for 6 continuous days.
Then someone hands you a black box resistor. You measure 100Watts electrical in, 150Watts heat out. You measure the volume, and if it were to have been filled with ANY Chemical (Like gasoline), it would burn out within 2 minutes, but you’re seeing the heat out for 20,000 minutes. You look for extra wires, external sources and find none. You invite 6 other colleagues to find them, to no avail.
What is the Energy Density of the first resistor compared to the second one? Come on, Mr. Advanced Science Degree. Even I can do this calculation.
Where does it say this system ran for 20,000 minutes?
Because no one in that industry (the industry of power generation), thinks of energy in Watts.
***Well, now, ELFORSK is the INDUSTRY consortium for Power Generation. They beg to disagree with you.
When I go into a lab, I measure a resistor in Watts, not Joules. You simply do not know what you are talking about.
In these cons, they pulse their reactors, one shot, and then give us the output wattage numbers.
*** That’s just because they have crappy PR people. I’ve dealt with PR people who change units on press releases without knowing jack about what they’re doing. So, watch the demo on Jan 28 and inform all of us how far off these guys are. You’d be doing everyone a favor. And at the same time, it would make sense to explain why you, of all the people involved, found out how to root out such frauds with your Amazing Insight while everyone else was so Deceived.
I know the difference between electrodes that “continuously output power” and those that are “pulsed”. You are the one who seems not to know the difference here.
There is an exception to this, of course. Magnetic bottles that do not allow a generated plasma to touch the containment vessel, will not melt at those temperatures.
But that is a hot fusion technology, not a cold one, nor this junk science in this article, which is not nuclear at all.
And I am very aware of the charade that is hot fusion. Anything that has been around that long becomes a institution, not a research project, IMO. Like Global Warming, it becomes a grant generating machine. Just one more problem, and then the next, and the next...
We only know of two places true fusion occurs (larger output energy than input energy to initiate reaction): stars and nuclear weapons. Stars use big dumb mass to generate gravity (or distort space) and fuse the elements within. Nuclear weapons use inertial confinement.
I suspect man’s first foray into true fusion power will be inertial confinement systems. We need to shrink the systems required to initiate the reactions, and perfect the target designs, and then finally master energy extraction from the reactor system.
You mean, you cannot even give an answer on a simple hypothetical? How ridiculous does that make your claim to have a grad-level Physics degree? Pretty damned ridiculous.
Here’s a simpler hypothetical:
How much is 1 Watt + 1 Watt? I’ll give you hints if you need them.
you can bet it was a single shot deal.
***Then watch the demo and see for yourself. The rest of what you’re saying are faith statements.
It’s deniers like you that give miracle energy breakthroughs a bad name.
I happen to know of an energy breakthrough even greater than the one in this article. It’s an improvement on the Tesla Coil, invented by the genius physicist R.T. Snay.
I’ve sold my gold and dumped all my money into the development of a working model, which will be ready in six months.
It’s a chance to get in on the ground floor of a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Soon everyone will wish they too had been given a chance to invest in the Snay Coil. :)
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