Posted on 12/31/2013 5:25:19 AM PST by Perdogg
But this topic is about Manning and Brees…..not Brady (at least not yet).
It’s still counted in the yards as a pass. A pass is not measured by how far the QB throws it, it’s measured by how far the receiver runs before being tackled or running out of bounds or fumbling.
Well, Peyton called it at his press conference, no?
Wow, you don't even know the issue here. The pass v lateral debate has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with where the play ended up. Nothing. This is about one thing: WHERE the ball was thrown FROM and where it was CAUGHT. NOT where the ball carrier ended up….
The ball, and I did a stop start stop start look at the tape….was thrown from the 49….that's where Mannings HAND and the BALL were at release…it was caught at about the 48…maybe 47 and a half….that's where it entered the HANDS of the receiver. THUS, it was statistically a PITCH or LATERAL or BACKWARDS PASS….whatever…what it wasn't was a FORWARD PASS, period.
…thus if its ruled correctly, and Idon’t know the burden to over rule stats….. the yards gained will go down as rushing yards for the guy who caught the pass…..and it will not be an official pass attempt. If it had been incomplete, it would have been a fumble, not incomplete pass. In an odd way, something somewhat similar played out in Green Bay V Chicago…..not totally the same ,but somewhat in that it was a fumble even though most thought at first it was a pass.
Didn’t see the presser or hear what he said…..just saw the replay and heard that Peyton would lose the yardage record when the 7 yards were subtracted.
Yawn.
We need to stop mistaking professional athletes for people of significance.
There is no statistic for a backwards pass. The yardage is counted from the line of scrimmage whether the pass is thrown forward or backward. You don't get negative yards for throwing a pass backwards. If a backwards pass is not caught, it is a loose ball.
Peyton’s got the most 4000-yd seasons (12), it sez on the wiki-wacky and in the NFL the most yards among actives; Stafford broke 5000 in 2012 (over 63 percent completion rate, also his best; your Romo’s worst season was 61.3, nice), and #25 all-time (this includes CFL players) is Johnny U. :’)
With due respect, you are a football idiot. Forget the article…I'm talking the bigger issue and the yardage record, not this specific article on it.
A backwards pass IS A LATERAL or A PITCH for purposes of STATS….which are RUSHING STATS. In case you don't know what "rushing stats" means, it means yardage gained or lost running the ball. So it's not called a backwards pass, but it damned sure IS kept as a stat…LIKE A HANDOFF.
And you are also logically impaired, because your analogy of the loose ball PROVES my case…this would have been a loose ball, a fumble, that could have been returned for a touchdown or at least recovered by the other team had the receiver not made the catch for some reason. Again, it's just like a pitch out. In fact, for purposes of stats go, it will end up as a pitch out and a running play of 7 yards.
Feel free to yawn somewhere else…..and FTR, you SO miss the point.
After review, the ruling on the field stands.
most everyone is missing the point except a few.
...the record was broken midpoint of game.
...Say officials rule it a lateral.
...you don’t think he doesn’t come out opening of second half (Denver deferred with coin toss) and stays in that first drive and passes another 40 more?
...he knew in game what he said in press conference: this record will be broken by dozens in future as college trained QBs get more proficient, NFL eases rules on defensive hits and league adds more games.
...Fox knew at halftime game was over and Denver had home field throughout playoffs and didn’t want to have injured QB
Except backward passes aren’t passes. This become important when the receiver fails to make the catch, when it’s a pass and the receiver misses when the ball hits the ground the play is over, when it’s a lateral and the receiver misses when the ball hits the ground it’s a fumble. Laterals are considered hand-offs, which makes it a run play.
I have to hand it to Aaron Rodgers. He can score touchdowns on incomplete passes. With that kind of statistical edge, Manning better watch out. :D
That’s probably what will end up happening, because the ball was caught and it’s Peyton Manning…..and they will have no appetite to over rule a record that people have thought for 18 - 24 hours or so he broke.
BUT…but…. if it had been dropped, the fact that it was indeed a lateral would have made it a legit fumble in the game. It was NOT a forward pass, period.
It was clearly a lateral and the yardage should be recorded as a rushing play in the Tuesday audit adjustment.
Manning, being a man of honor, would say the same if he were making the decision.
I totally agree with point one…it was clearly thrown backwards by a yard, maybe a touch more. I doubt they correct it thought…the NFL has every excuse for not over ruling anything…..
On point two, I'm not so sure I agree….he should probably stay out of the debate altogether…and let the audit happen. It's fuzzy math anyway, yards are measured for stats as digital whole units, but most plays gain or lose fractions of yards….3 and half, 5 yards plus a foot, etc - so who really knows literally who has truthfully thrown for the most yards?
You know, last Sunday during the game, when I heard he decided not to play after breaking the old record by one yard, I thought to myself that is would be terrible if later the total yards was lowered by some scoring error.
I even wanted to point this out on a sports forum at the time but did not. I just had this feeling he should go back out there and add a few more yards to total to be sure he had the record.
He had the opportunity to add a few more yards but did not. This may come back to hurt him? And even if they do not reduce his yard totals, this controversy will remain.
Manning should have gone back out and played at least another series or two. He should have made sure he had the record. One yard over the old record is too close for comfort to me.
I agree. Looks for sure like a lateral.
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