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December 16th, 1944: The Bulge
Various sources ^ | 12-16-2013 | Vanity

Posted on 12/16/2013 6:30:04 AM PST by OKSooner

Sixty nine years ago, the largest land battle ever fought by the US Army started today. Do you know anyone who was there? Or maybe someone from your family was there and didn't come back, or came back changed in some way?


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: anniversary; battleofthebulge; godsgravesglyphs; militaryhistory; worldwareleven; wwii
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To: crazydad
and to the Russians, Germany started it.

They both started it when they agreed to carve up Poland.

41 posted on 12/16/2013 8:27:26 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ken5050

Use whatever word you want except for the “R” word :) Makes ‘em surly...


42 posted on 12/16/2013 8:29:03 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: dfwgator

It’s a very powerful movie. Some of the casting was scary good.


43 posted on 12/16/2013 8:29:45 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Don't let anybody associated with the 101st Airborne hear you say that. To this day, no member of the of the division has ever admitted that it needed rescue.

"How do I feel about being rescued by Patton? Well I'd feel pretty peachy, except for one thing, we didn't f---in' need to be rescued by Patton! Got that?" - Joe Toye (Band of Brothers)

44 posted on 12/16/2013 8:29:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
I will warn anyone watching, the scenes involving the Goebbels' children are some of the most gut-wrenching things you'll ever see in a movie.

No kidding.

45 posted on 12/16/2013 8:29:56 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance; dfwgator

I can’t watch the poisoning scene. Have skipped past it in the past.


46 posted on 12/16/2013 8:30:52 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I don’t blame you. It’s tough to watch, even if you already knew their fate.


47 posted on 12/16/2013 8:33:12 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Well, it is a stark reminder that indeed there is unrestrained evil in the world. And that that evil can and is often expressed in political and ideological fanaticism.

And who pays? More often than not it’s children, one way or another.


48 posted on 12/16/2013 8:33:45 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Amazing that of all the evil people that were in that movie, I came away despising Magda the most.


49 posted on 12/16/2013 8:35:05 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: OKSooner
One of the backstory heroes of the Battle: Col. Norman Vaughan

In 1945, as the Battle of the Bulge was being fought and heavy snows blanketed the Western Front, Col. Vaughan argued for a month that dogs were the only transport that could rescue and return the wounded to the rear of the battle for medical treatment. Finally, General Patton issued the order “Send in the dogs.”

[I believe Norman said, they were able to use the dog sleds to get much needed food to the troops on the front]

With impressive coordination, Vaughan quickly assembled 17 drivers and 209 dogs to a training camp in Maine, then deployed them to France. Because of administrative delays, the dogs did not arrive before the snows melted and so did not participate in the Battle; however, the operation proved the ease with which dog teams could be assembled and dispersed whenever the need arose. Dogs were used in this way until helicopters realized their full potential in the 1950’s and took over those functions. Later, beginning at age 72, he participated in thirteen 1100-mile long Iditarod sled dog races in Alaska, where his last finish was in 1990 at the age of 84.

Norman was well-celebrated accompanying Adm. Byrd on the first Antarctic Expedition (1928-1930)

*Dream big. Dare to fail.*

50 posted on 12/16/2013 8:35:11 AM PST by Daffynition (Make Laura Bush's *Cowboy Cookies* for Christmas! They're GREAT!)
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To: OKSooner
One of the best modern films ever made of WWII, IMHO, is Band of Brothers. Maybe not perfect, but it seems Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks, notorious liberals as they are, tried to do a credible job of presenting the life and times of Army soldiers, "Easy Company", 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, Army's 101st Airborne Division. Part of the story covers their efforts at Bastogne, a part of the Battle of the Bulge.

The mini-series starts with their paratrooper training, something new at the time for the Army, and ends at the end of the war with the men contemplating their disposition at the end of the war in Germany but facing going to the Pacific to fight the Japanese.

The mini-series also includes interviews with the actual soldiers from Easy Company.

It is an 11 hour mini-series presentation available on DVD.

Band of Brothers

A few images of the Bastogne scenes:


51 posted on 12/16/2013 8:35:40 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: EternalVigilance

There was another suicide scene in the movie as well with kids. Remember the man sitting at the dinner table with his wife and children, then pulling the pin on his grenade killing the whole family?


52 posted on 12/16/2013 8:35:55 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: CodeToad

Incredible episode.....That’s one for the big screen HD. The audio alone is worth it, closest thing to being there.


53 posted on 12/16/2013 8:39:23 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: OKSooner
One of my uncles was wounded at the Bulge.

Out of a family of eight children, he's the only one still living.

54 posted on 12/16/2013 8:39:46 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: dfwgator; ccmay
Thank you for reminding me. The scenes involving the Goebbels' children were, indeed, among the most gut-wrenching I've ever seen in a movie. Those kids were cute as they were charming, dammit, and totally trusting of their worthless parents.

To poison kids because the parents "cannot bear to think about them living without national socialism" surely captures the ultimate sickness of libtardism.

The Germans who produced this film did some genuine research, unlike our a**clowns in Hollywood who weave a little historical background into their fictional story. The Downfall is really the best World War II movie I've seen since Schlinder's List, produced in the previous decade.

55 posted on 12/16/2013 8:40:55 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Yeah. There were others too. Lots of Nazis did themselves in the final hours.

Also, the kids impressed into service in the final defense of Berlin committed suicide, sort of. Not that they bear most of the blame for that. They were impressionable children.


56 posted on 12/16/2013 8:40:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: CodeToad
with the men contemplating their disposition at the end of the war in Germany but facing going to the Pacific to fight the Japanese.

Thank God for the Bomb.

57 posted on 12/16/2013 8:41:01 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: EternalVigilance
Also, the kids impressed into service in the final defense of Berlin committed suicide, sort of.

They were murdered in my book. The roving death squads that killed anyone who didn't fight.

58 posted on 12/16/2013 8:41:59 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: EternalVigilance

That’s the thing about Downfall, it really isn’t all that much about Hitler. He is just one of the major characters in it. But it really is more from the perspective of his Secretary.


59 posted on 12/16/2013 8:43:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: EternalVigilance

Can’t argue with that. That scene is about as stark a reminder as I can think of.


60 posted on 12/16/2013 8:44:15 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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