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To: butterdezillion

Looking up information about the other Cessna that went down.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/us/hawaii-emergency-landing/

Oct 23rd. That’s 50 days before this crash. Less than 2 months. A bang, sparks, and stuff flying out of the plane. Quite a different description than this one.

At http://www.cntraveler.com/daily-traveler/2013/10/single-engine-cessna-airplanes-mokulele-airlines-maui-102313 it says:

“The AviationSafetyNetwork shows that before this incident, there had been 69 occurrences where airplanes lost power in all engines, 45 since the year 1980. (These don’t include private aircraft.) Of those 45, only two were on single-engine aircraft, both Grand Caravans. And both of those resulted in landings without fatalities.”

So between 1980 and Oct 22, 2013 there were 2 instances of engine failure on this kind of plane flown commercially. Yet within 50 days in the Maui area there were 2 instances, including the only instance where this kind of plane has had a casualty, and that casualty happened to be the woman who contradicted her state registrar to claim that Obama really was born in Hawaii.

Within 50 days in one small area of the country, this engine’s failure rate of 33 years DOUBLED and experienced its first fatality. From a government/regulatory safety perspective, that Cessna off Molokai DEFINITELY needs to be brought up. And from a forensic standpoint it also needs to be brought up.


286 posted on 12/15/2013 5:36:02 AM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion

The 2 Cessna engine failures that preceded the 2 in Hawaii within 50 days are listed at http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Event=ACEL

One was in Oregon March 5, 2003. The description can be found at http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20030305-0 including this cause:

“PROBABLE CAUSE: “Water contamination in the fuel system which resulted in a loss of engine power during the initial climb after takeoff, and the pilot’s inadequate pre-flight inspection. Trees were a factor.”

Sounds like ice, maybe.

The other was Sept 5, 2010 The description is at http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20100905-0 including this cause:

“The accident resulted from the creep rupture of one or more blades of the turbine compressor leading to failure of the engine in flight.
The causes of creep could not be determined. It can result from operating the engine over the temperature-threshold or non-detection during maintenance. “

The Oregon engine failure (ice?) happened at 1000 ft; the other one happened at 7000 feet 11 minutes into the flight in Central America.


287 posted on 12/15/2013 5:52:21 AM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion

Re the first crash: we just saw last night on TV the old movie The Jagged Edge, where the evil Jeff Bridges character actually committed a pre-copycat crime a couple months before he committed his goal crime, killing his wife to inherit all. Not saying this happened here, but it was just a weird juxtaposition.


319 posted on 12/15/2013 10:34:52 PM PST by Yaelle
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