Posted on 11/21/2013 7:44:52 PM PST by defconw
Here is the scientific data on the quake. Arggg, I have to see the seismo printout. My head can’t wrap around this stuff and get a pic in my head.
If a nuke, giant P wave, then just diminished amplitude down to nothing. No S wave.
http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=338021#scientific
Is this the kind of stuff that you would know about? And if so, are you allowed to say anything about it? Would anybody who knew inconsistencies in the story be able to say what those inconsistencies are? Would anybody be able to say if the story IS credible?
I apologize for the bandwith.
Just because some, if not all, specifics happen to be correct, it doesnt mean that they point to the correct conclusion. It means that they point to one possible conclusion. Layers of analysis and quite frankly common sense (including things like application of Occams Razor) need to be added as well.
So again I’d raise the point that it makes absolutely no sense for Obama to embark on a plan that would essentially eliminate his political base (blacks, Hispanics and white liberals), leaving those he reviles to step into the power vacuum. Especially in a situation where the US military would still have the capability to nuke the rest of the world onto it’s knees.
Oh, and I had a typo in my earlier post. Should have been guy, not gay.
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I don't know, but it seems highly implausible (having been around nukes). I have heard of some military personnel (PRP qualified officers), a U.S. senator, and a couple of Representatives talking about this, but it seems like separate, disjointed incidents.
Then again, I don't trust 0bama or his regime. Imho, they are capable of anything.
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Cut through all your hyperbole and I'd say the normal kind. No criminal record and restitution made for the counterfit chips would account for no charges being filed. The fact that he was a high ranking officer would account for the police turning the matter over to the military.
“Why is anybody calling themself a Conservative posting this BS?”
Whether or not there is any validity whatsoever in the source for this thread, a true Conservative cannot and must not arbitrarily dismiss all elements of such bizarre reports, because the truth is very often str4anger than fiction, even some of the most bizarre fiction. One of the most effective tools for tyrants and would be tyrants is the use of blatantly outrageous crimes in direct public view and hidden from the public, using plausible deniability to hide such crimes often in plain sight. See for example such historical precedents as the BlombergFritsch Affair:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blomberg-Fritsch_Affair
The challenge facing Conservatives is discovering how to discriminate between the bizarre realities and bizarre fantasies used to create circumstances for establishing plausible deniability and a basis for ridicule.
It makes all the sense in the world for Obama to do anything that would allow him to declare martial law. That is the end run for the whole coup. That completes the coup. In the cities there would be the violence but they can handle violence. In the rural areas the problems would be lack of food, gasoline, medicine... leading to starvation and disease. Obama can easily choose who gets medicine and food.
There is a reason that DHS has been amassing hollow-point bullets, tanks, and body bags. There is a reason that Napolitano said that a “natural disaster” was coming that would dwarf anything America has ever seen, and why a dem Congresswoman said there was 100% certainty of an EMP-type event.
China posted a map of the US showing what US cities could be nuked. They know they’re never going to get paid back on the US’s debt to them. There isn’t enough money in the world to pay them back. At some point - since the US is not willing to get serious about managing their debt - China will have to cut its losses and take the collateral, which happens to be US land and infrastructure. It’s no good to them unless they clear out the American people first though. And that’s what the old Columbia University talk groups with Bill Ayers and FBI mole Larry Grathwohl (who also died not too long ago...) were all about - discussing how to divide up the US to give to the communists in the world. I think Grathwohl talked about China, Russia, Viet Nam, and Cuba...
They talked about consigning some people to re-education camps. That can only happen fully under martial law. The confiscation of guns - which has always been the deterrent to a full communist coup - can only happen fully under martial law.
The steps to a successful coup HAVE to include martial law. To get nationwide martial law you’ve got to have something visible to everybody including the cities - something where those in the cities cry out for security - all over the country. What event would do that without wiping out any of Obama’s voting base? And truthfully, what difference does a voting base make when you set up a totalitarian state, which is the goal? Voters mean nothing to him. That could also explain why he’s been willing to let the unions - his voting base! - get royally ticked off with him over Obamacare. He doesn’t need them any more. He has “more flexibility” now.
I think you’re thinking inside the box, as if we were in normal electoral times. We’re not. Think Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Extortion 17, IRS, NSA, permission to kill American citizens on US soil without any due process or accountability, etc. The media was threatened in Oct of 2008 and since then what few reporters have shown any integrity at all have had computers, phone lines, etc violated. And none of that stuff kept Obama from (supposedly) being re-elected.
We’re operating in a post-1933-Germany world, after the Enabling Act allowed Hitler to do whatever he wanted including changing the German Constitution. We’re watching Obama systematically dismantle everything the US is, while Congress, law enforcement, the courts, etc all just stand there picking their noses.
I don’t buy it. If civilian law enforcement gives military people one free crime before pressing charges, military people would never have any criminal record because there would never be a first offense.
I don’t buy this at all. What level of law enforcement was this, who let him go without charges? Do we have any way of knowing what the evidence was, or any way to cross-examine the evidence?
And if it was a crime then why didn’t the military court-martial the guy instead of just firing him?
No, this one stinks to high heaven. Just like the dozens of other critical military leaders who have been fired on dubious charges where evidence is outside the realm of cross-examination. I knew the military justice system was severely compromised when Denise Lind ruled that that lawfulness of combat orders has nothing to do with whether the Constitutional and statutory requirements for combat authorization were met. If a company commander ordered our guys to do combat in Iran right now the FIRST question anybody would be asking was whether Obama authorized such cross-border combat. According to Denise Lind, that is an IRRELEVANT question. When she ruled that, I knew the military justice system was totally destroyed.
And now with the purging of the military, I think the rest of the world might be noticing that something is wrong also.
And now there are also questions about civilian law enforcement, which is what first got me really involved in speaking out publicly about the trouble America is in. You think military people are regularly allowed to keep a clean criminal record into perpuity because civilian law enforcement has such deference for a military uniform. That would be dangerous, yet you’re saying it’s normal?
I could see the MILITARY saying if their guy gets a criminal trespassing charge, or peeing in public, or something like that, they’ll let him keep his job but give him some kind of military punishment to let him know to knock it off. But I can’t see civil law enforcement saying it’s okay to steal $1500 because the military is going to make him lose his job.
Anybody military, please give input on this. This isn’t just about this one guy and poker chips; there is a pattern of this regime getting rid of military leaders who have no criminal charges against them and are merely rumored to be engaging in some vague not-so-good stuff. How does the military normally handle this kind of stuff?
Those in law enforcement please tell us how many times you’ve written off a $1500 theft because it was a military guy with a clean record.
It’s only done by using an evidence-based epistemology, and that’s what I see on this thread, with the exception of those saying it just can’t be true because it’s too big.
There are those who have said it seems implausible, and I hope they give some specifics of what details make the story implausible. Genuine fact-checking is how you sift the wheat from the chaff.
Either he did it or he did not do it. if he did not do it, it is all too easy to setup a man with a phony allegation he cannot disprove. It is suspsicious, therefore, to see this man accused of a crime whose nature is not subject to being disproved.
Listen, if the goal is for Obama to declare martial law, there are simpler, easier and more predictable (in terms of results/outcomes) ways of doing so.
For instance he could pressure Reid, Pelosi and a dozen or so other prominant Democrats into doing some really over the top things (hmmmm, I know there’s a recent example out there, but I just can’t think of it ... can anyone else?) that tick off Conservatives, and then false flag assassinate them. Tea Party gets blamed, roundups begin, resistance is encountered and martial law is declared.
Without burning the cities (where his political base lives) to the ground.
Dictators like to rule things and people. Not rubble and corpses.
I’m not planning on reading all of the comments, but #1:
EMP is a Space phenomenon. Not terrestrial. Doesn’t happen with a ground burst or sub-sea burst.
Knowing this one fact, you may now treat the article for this thread appropriately...as fiction.
And if he did do it?
Unless they really believe the eco stuff about 90% of the world needing to die.
And unless they really believe that capitalism and America are the 2 evils in the world - like the self-proclaimed owner of the DNC, George Soros, says he must do because he is God.
And unless they are working in conjunction with world communists and Islamists who put them in power specifically to clear the land for new people to inhabit and inherit the infrastructure - in return for a plush life for Obama and his family.
And unless they have to first demoralize and/or scare the people with guns so they don’t fight back before there is enough brute strength to conquer them.
Etc.
I don’t think you’re looking at the whole picture of what has been going on the past 6 or so years. These people are not just out to have power here for a while. They are out to do in the last standing bastion of freedom. The communists and Islamists are BOTH wanting to conquer the world and bring it into submission to them. As long as there is anybody free, their work will be unfinished.
I think the first step for any military endeavor is to know what you’re up against. I think we need to start doing some no-BS assessment of who owns Obama and what they are REALLY after. The piddly R v D politics is NOT what this is about.
Nobody is claiming that an undersea nuke was intended to create an EMP. The claim is that the military guy refused to do a proper launch of an EMP nuke (which would be called an Iranian attack, presumably, as set up by Lindsey Graham) and instead detonated it in the ocean where it would not do the damage.
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