Posted on 10/30/2013 9:56:36 AM PDT by hoagy62
24. As related in paragraphs 5-11 above, Dresden became a military target as (1), and of overriding importance, a primary communications center in the Berlin-Leipzig-Dresden railway complex; (2) as an important industrial and manufacturing center directly associated with the production of aircraft components and other military items, including poison gas, anti-aircraft and field guns, and small guns; and (3) as an area containing specific military installations.
There is no “us and them”.
So you are walking down the street with an empty gas can trying to get a gallon or two to put in your rig, parked a quarter mile behind you.
You have a sidearm.
You see a person approaching you.
Is he an “us” or is he a “them”?
How do you know? How do you react? Do you honestly think you will be able to carry on a civil discussion about who exactly he voted for last time, then just dust him away if he says he voted for Obama?
There is no “us” and no “them”.
The person you see will do one of two things:
Help you or
Try to kill you.
I’d be very interested in any thoughts on the matter. But no matter how much I think about it, I can’t come up with a solution.
Without a clear definition of “us” and “them”, it soon devolves to just killing people on sight or be killed yourself.
I am not going to respond to anything in your post except to state that you are woefully ignorant of American History.
Again, your post is a great and true one. Torture and intentional attacks against civilians are public affairs failures. It’s incompetent for any army or guerilla effort to advocate such tactics. The advocating or implementation of such tactics does help us to see how our nation slides into weakness through immorality, though. It also shows us which factions will fail in insurrection. Pride goes before a fall.
Here goes...
RCB is hired onto the local police force. Goes through the police academy, graduates and does some A.I.T.
After a time, the president by E.O. issues a state of emergency, and bans possession of all firearms.
The new grad, RCB goes out to M Kehoe's house to enforce the E.O. Knocks on M Kehoe's door. "Kehoe, open up, I'm deputy RCB. I have a search warrant for you home." M Kehoe: may I see it? I see everything is in order, come in. RCB: Kehoe (First lady is present), do you have any fire arms or explosives in your house.
M Kehoe: no sir.
RCB and crew search, and find nothing. RCB and jackboots leaving...
M Kehoe: I hope you found everything ok RCB (officer). Thanks for coming. Oh, by the way, who is your supervisor? RCB: Javon Williams.
M Kehoe: Thanks RCB, have a nice day.
RCB, in about 15 days I will plan your demise, Javon's demise, and all of your relatives, his relatives, and friends. The scene will make Hannibal Lecter look like child's play (ever hear of a Columbian neck tie?), and RCB, their deaths will be things of legend.
And yes, I am deadly serious.
5.56mm
No.
Dresden victims ‘farfewer than believed’[Bombing of Dresden]
Scotsman ^ | 02 Oct 2008 | BRIAN FERGUSON
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2095479/posts
The U.S.A. is sinking into moral bankruptcy and poverty. There’s no way out of that except for a return to real American morality (doesn’t happen without humiliating sufferings of consequences). If a real war is in our near future, it won’t be a domestic conflict waged by the sick, lame, lazy, aged, laid off and foreclosed. It will be a war against foreign nations.
Those days never existed.
War kills innocents.
/johnny
I, and I think most reasonable people who are familiar with the effect of firearms on the human body, have no desire whatever to shoot my fellow citizens for differing from my politics (or for any other reason, either). But civil wars don't commonly start with both sides glaring at one another across a No Man's Land with someone yelling "1-2-3, go!", they start with tit-for-tat atrocities and continue to exhaustion. Fueled by hereditary hatred and weapons supplied from outside sources they can last for decades. No, we really don't want to go there but we can be dragged there by people stupid enough to think that a river of blood will magically wash up on the shores of a utopian paradise.
No plan survives first contact with the enemy...We simply don’t know how an armed civil conflict would evolve.
Would military or police refuse to fire on citizens? Would they fall in line and drag our families from their homes in the dead of night?
Conflicts evolve and tactics change to adapt to realities. I don’t think conservatives would honestly seek to terrorize innocents in what is sure to amount to a war of attrition.
We will be painted as worse than militant Islamists by the 24/7 news cycle and our words will be drowned out by the press and the establishment, or twisted into soundbytes of racism, intolerance, or hate.
The nation is too lazy, stupid, and disengaged to revolt or to understand those who do.
Honestly, I hate to say it, but I think if we’re forced into combat with the Federal hydra, we’ve already lost. Only understanding the cause and effect of an entitlement society and suffering the collapse of our currency will start to bring people around. When someone truly has to exhaust themselves working for a morsel of food, and when jobs are simply not to be found anywaywhere and there’s no tax money left to support them, we’ll see a work ethic return and an appreciation for conservative values reignite.
Yes, friend or foe? That's a tough one to figure, many times impossible, and yet another aspect of this sort of conflict which makes it especially hellish.
Many mistakes are made. Many 'friendly fire' incidents.
If you're looking for a clear-cut answer, guess what? There isn't one.
Which is why this is to be avoided if at all possible. But as I stated previously, we will not be the ones who attack first, rendering any such sentiments moot.
Conservatives get hungry just like liberals do.
If a liberal knocks on your door and starts begging for a bowl of soup, that’s one thing.
If a conservative does it, he is FAR more likely to be ARMED AND DANGEROUS than a liberal.
So, with that in mind, once again please explain the difference to me of “us” and “them”.
Please dont send me any more stuff.
I find your last post to me offensive and enigmatic.
I reported it as abuse.
...and no I dont care to understand it.
I’m not interested in your guns anymore than your interested
in my faith.
bump for later
Go back and re-read my previous post.
You are looking for an absolute answer where there is none. A false premise.
Good luck with that.
ZOT!
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