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The Healthcare Act is really about confiscation of tax refunds
Thought | 18 October 2013 | Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

Posted on 10/18/2013 9:14:42 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The Healthcare Act just forced upon Americans was pushed through with deceit by telling ignorant Americans they would receive healthcare at reasonable premiums. It turns out (as usual) that it was all a lie.

What the Healthcare Act is, in fact, is a way to more thoroughly tax citizens without provoking a revolution. Millions of younger Americans never carried insurance because with good health they didn't need to. Now, the government is going to force EVERY adult to have healthcare. Many companies have dropped healthcare or have cut hours to 29 per week to not have to incur the costs involved. So, very few private sector companies will offer health insurance. This is very ominous for all of these younger citizens.

The premiums and deductibles are much higher than everyone thought and the new W-4 form has a new line requiring input of one's healthcare provider AND the number of that provider. What the IRS is going to do is this: If you opt out of buying healthcare either through your employer or from the government, you WILL pay a penalty and it will come out of your TAX REFUND, if you have one, or you're going to owe the IRS taxes which you will pay or you'll wish you did.

So, now the government is forcing people to buy something they don't need and with the high deductibles will almost all never use. Where is all of that money going to go? Is it going to go down a rathole like Social Security funds have? Most certainly, yes. Now, the government is going to need new payers not only for Social Security, but also for the Healthcare system.

Thus, we have a tremendous push for amnesty for illegal aliens who have now stated publicly that they're not taking it anymore and want amnesty now. Well, their leadership, controlled by the Democrat Party, has said that. Obama has stated publicly "On to immigration reform!" They have to have more taxpayers on the record who can be forced to pay for everything. Those getting citizenship will look up one day and think, "I've been shoveling horse manure, taking care of chicken houses, cleaning house, etc. for 20 years now. It's MY turn for a decent job and the fight will be on for all low level jobs like fast food, etc. with all of those working those jobs unable to buy health insurance and having their tax refunds confiscated to pay the penalty while at the same time receiving NO healthcare. And, to think of it, many of them (legal and illegal) voted for all of this.

The last real source of money accessible to the government are peoples' retirement funds and bank accounts. Can you say Argentina? Greece? Spain? Get ready for the ride. As daddy always said, "Be careful what you wish for, you may get it."


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; destroyjobs; destroymiddleclass; elitelooting; executivepower; healthcare; obamacare; refunds; rulingclass; taxes; wealthtransfer; zerocare
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1 posted on 10/18/2013 9:14:42 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I’ve often thought a few simple things would push back socialism:

1) High schools should teach high school students how to fill out a 1040EZ.

2) Eliminate automatic withholding - everyone writes a check for state tax, fed tax, fica, medicare, every month.

These two steps would make everybody much more aware of how much they are paying...or not paying.


2 posted on 10/18/2013 9:18:59 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I think the main premise is absolutely correct, and has been apparent for some time.

They want the tax refunds, AND the Earned Income Tax Credit funds. It was a huge pot of money just sitting there ripe for the plucking, and they have now plucked it.


3 posted on 10/18/2013 9:21:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

What they ultimately want is to control the revenue stream of 1/6 of the economy. With a single payer system the premiums for healthchare will be paid to the federal government.

So if you think the social security lockbox was sacred, wait till they get their hands on the revenues from healhtcare.

And once that money is spent they will force Americans to pay vene higher taxes or premiums (or receive less benefits) with the threat of witholding healthcare from the nation’s citizens.


4 posted on 10/18/2013 9:26:14 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: lacrew

Add one more. All tax withholdings and payments are escrowed within the originating state until the state legislature authorizes their forwarding to DC.


5 posted on 10/18/2013 9:29:25 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: lacrew

Eliminate withholding and make tax day Oct 31st (on Halloween and right before election day).


6 posted on 10/18/2013 9:30:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: EternalVigilance

It is critically important that the facts about penalties for non-insurance, how they will increase year-by-year and how they will be enforced by the IRS are made known to the general public, especially the young. (That means that just running commercials on network TV won’t do it!) I have heard far too many young people say that they are just going to skip the expensive insurance and pay the penalty, as if this won’t be a big deal in a few years.

Note that the first time anyone has to have their tax-preparer fill out those new health-insurance lines on the 1040 forms will be after the 2014 elections.


7 posted on 10/18/2013 9:31:26 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: EternalVigilance

Remember how they laughed at Rush Limbaugh when he suggested we need to start taxing the carp out of the poor? It took an Obastard to make it happen.


8 posted on 10/18/2013 9:33:51 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

What they ultimately want is control of 6/6 of the economy.

Total and absolute government control of every thought, word, and deed.


9 posted on 10/18/2013 9:37:11 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Amnesty is not about taxing the illegals.

They never produce anything remotely resembling what they consume, and as soon as they are legalized they will all be in the Subsidy column.

Legalizing them is about many things in the minds of the Hate America Left, but two things predominate:

1 - Their race
2 - Their Victim Status

If the illegals were all Irish toughs the only guy who would care would be Peter King. The fact that Mexicans are a brown skinned half breed group makes them Fellow Victims of the Evil White People to filth like Obama and his hissing friends.

But what would race be without evidence of VictimHood? According to the Left, we Stole Their Land!

The fact that they weren’t actually here...and never were...means nothing. It’s the insistence that it’s true.

In fact, Obamacare merged with Amnesty means = Reparations! for the dusty Brownskins. So it Must Be!

They have no plans to tax them. On the contrary, they are the new Taker class, here to bleed the Makers dry.


10 posted on 10/18/2013 9:37:47 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“tax refunds”....haahahahahaha....

If you haven’t learned to estimate your taxes, such that you OWE a bit each year, you need to learn!


11 posted on 10/18/2013 9:42:43 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: MrB
Eliminate withholding and make tax day Oct 31st (on Halloween and right before election day).

1. Eliminate withholding.
2. Require payments once a month, not once a year.
3. Every person RECEIVING benefits in SS, AFDC, ACA, etc., also receives the names of one or more taxpaying neighbors who provided these benefits or the labor.
4. Every person paying taxes receives the names of one or more persons receiving transfer payments.
5. The recipients must provide the names of their tax paying neighbors from whom they want to seize wealth and labor.
6. The taxpayers send their payments directly to the recipient(s) of the benefits.

12 posted on 10/18/2013 9:46:08 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: EternalVigilance

I say good about the EITC. That’s a scam welfare program anyways.


13 posted on 10/18/2013 9:47:52 AM PDT by petercooper
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Low wage workers don’t really pay income tax. With the earned income credit, child credit, etc., they actually get more free money.

The politicians are only counting more payroll taxes coming in when they talk about immigrants paying taxes and helping our economy. But if you add it all up, it will only hurt our economy, because they will have to tax the more productive citizens even more to subsidize all the immigrants with the tax credits and benefits.

And while it may have a few more come out and work openly, it will open the door for even more low skilled workers to come in and be willing to work underground for less wages.


14 posted on 10/18/2013 10:10:50 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Well, John Roberts did call Obamacare a tax.


15 posted on 10/18/2013 10:13:38 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Taxing via the imposition of “premiums” is a benefit of O care as far
as Washington is concerned. But it’s not the primary purpose of
O care.

The primary purpose of the program is the destruction of the entire
private sector healthcare system.....THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

Once the private healthcare system is dead and the hundreds of
billions of dollars that have historically gone to the private sector
has been diverted into the governments grasp the true purpose of
O care will become apparent. And that purpose is twofold.
Complete control over people and the theft and looting of the
nearly trillion dollars a year that has been out of the reach of the greedy politicians till now.


16 posted on 10/18/2013 10:33:20 AM PDT by nvscanman
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

What refund? Wifey and I never have any refunds, only pay.


17 posted on 10/18/2013 10:34:52 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The Heath Care Act is really about the sabbotage and financial destruction of the entire private Health Care industry. When the whole system implodes and goes bankrupt, with what money do the feds think they are going to be able to find in order to recapitalize and run the health care industry? Right, they can’t. So one step further, the Heath Care Act is THE death nail in our economy’s coffin. This is the call on the debt that wont be able to be reconciled and thus the ‘total transformation’ of the US will have taken place.


18 posted on 10/18/2013 10:35:48 AM PDT by swingdoc
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
you WILL pay a penalty and it will come out of your TAX REFUND, if you have one, or you're going to owe the IRS taxes which you will pay or you'll wish you did.

Well, partly true. As it is currently written, the IRS has NOT been empowered to come after you. Yes, they CAN withhold a penalty from a refund, and perhaps collective penalties over several years from one refund. But, if you NEVER get a refund, EVER, they cannot come after you when you don't pay the penalty. Pay your taxes, but not the penalty portion. When you get nasty letters from the IRS, you know where to file them . . . and you have options: the file under your kitchen sink, or the file next to your toilet, or even the toilet itself (but shred the paper, first . . . clogs won't do).

19 posted on 10/18/2013 11:34:47 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

people should adjust their withholding to make sure they get nothing back for the IRS to take


20 posted on 10/18/2013 11:36:15 AM PDT by GeronL
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