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How a Nazi Planner Shaped Early Israel
Times of Israel ^ | 10-11-2013 | Joshua Davidovich

Posted on 10/17/2013 12:28:59 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman

A plan used in the 1950s to build a system of towns and villages in the northern Negev was based on a theory developed in the Third Reich, to be used for populating an Eastern Europe cleansed of Jews. Did Zionist planners not know, or not care?

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: israel; nazis; volkswagen
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1 posted on 10/17/2013 12:28:59 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

I know its hard to believe, but not EVERY single thing the Germans did between the years of 1933-1945 was stupid or evil.


2 posted on 10/17/2013 12:35:09 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

The Nazis had many incredible ideas that didn’t have anything to do with the final solution. should we say Math or rocket science should not used because an evil person thought it up.


3 posted on 10/17/2013 12:37:49 PM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

I don’t buy this being a Nazi plan; even the article makes it plain that Christaller was a Social Democrat (who are just as against Israel as anyone else in Europe these days, BTW). A party whose members liked to sing „Heute Deutschland, Morgen Die Welt“ would not have included the (to them) purported homeland of die Juden having the Jews alive and dwelling in it.


4 posted on 10/17/2013 12:38:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: PGR88

Autobahns were a pretty good idea, one that Ike grabbed onto in starting the Interstate Highway System.


5 posted on 10/17/2013 12:39:23 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Sometimes a good idea is still a good idea. I am not sure I understand the desire to eradicate all that might have come from an evil society just because it came from an evil society. On that basis we should never eat German, Italian, or Japanese food. Nor should we ever drive cars produced by said societies


6 posted on 10/17/2013 12:39:30 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Without Hitler, Israel would not exist today.


7 posted on 10/17/2013 12:41:47 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

interesting O.F.....As a young man I was shocked that many of the revered church songs we sang were originally drinking songs with bawdy lyrics. The church adopted them and gave them new words. So a plan can be a good plan even though some one we don’t like came up with it...


8 posted on 10/17/2013 12:44:32 PM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Once the plans go up, who cares where it gets built, that’s not his department.


9 posted on 10/17/2013 12:48:49 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: ShadowAce

It is true that without the holocaust, the drive to make Israel an independent nation would not have been as strong as it was. Even then, however, it still was very difficult to get done, and almost did not work out.


10 posted on 10/17/2013 12:49:48 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

True, but they did have snappy uniforms...


11 posted on 10/17/2013 12:53:58 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: PGR88

Much of the totalitarian impulses that we feel all around us these days have largely come from the planning departments that regulate and control down to the minutiae how we are to live. Planning space was very important to National Socialism, and it is especially important to our environmentalist friends today. What the Nazis originally used to be anti-Semitic and anti-Slavic, are now used to be anti-people in general.


12 posted on 10/17/2013 12:55:15 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: bdfromlv

Nazi science was not based on the Enlightenment ideal that “knowledge was power” that originally came from the natural theology of the Middle Ages, but from the existential emphasis upon “Will to Power,” which denigrated rationality in favor of instinct and willpower. Too much has been made of Nazi science. The Manhattan Project far surpassed even the Nazi rocket program. In fact, the Nazi rocket system was a huge waste of money and research. Without a nuclear bomb tied to them, the rockets were virtually useless from a strict military point of view. The Nazis would have been far better off building more Tiger Tanks.


13 posted on 10/17/2013 1:01:19 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: PGR88

True, but totalitarian special planning practices are by no means a neutral category. There is not one word mentioned in this article about how Christaller’s theory is at the heart of modern sustainable development practices.


14 posted on 10/17/2013 1:03:24 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: FreedomPoster

Hitler built the Autobahn’s because of his romantic fascination with the old Roman roads. He even defined fascism as “a spontaneous return to the traditions of Rome.” He believed the Autobahn’s could help bring back the Greco-Roman empire under firm Nazi control. The autobahn’s were built so tanks and military equipment could be quickly dispatched to any border very quickly. Eisenhower did not build the freeway system in America with these ideas in mind.


15 posted on 10/17/2013 1:06:45 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Nifster

I am waiting for someone to start making the connection between Israel’s use of Christaller’s theory to show how Israel is occupying Palestine. Then they can call Israel Nazis - which - of course is absurd. The point of posting the article is that we often do things detrimental to ourselves without even realizing it. If you keep reading, Christaller’s so-called town in Israel did not turn out well. When planners make plans, they usually make things a lot worse.


16 posted on 10/17/2013 1:10:56 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: PGR88

Thanks to their racist scientism and existentialist will to power worldview, the Nazis used ‘rational’ means to bring about irrational goals.


17 posted on 10/17/2013 1:12:37 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

I hear Hitler got the idea of Autobran from Fritz Lang classic movie Metropolis

I don’t know if you have hear of that story


18 posted on 10/17/2013 1:14:29 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Men plan, God laughs.


19 posted on 10/17/2013 1:16:34 PM PDT by weeweed (Proud Costco University graduate)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Central place theory is just a geography theory developed before this guy ever became a Nazi. The Israelis used it to figure out how to develop an empty region.

The evil here is not this theory, but the fact that the Nazis had created an "empty" region by transporting out all the Poles, Jews and others. From what I can tell this man had nothing to do with implementing the Nazi "lebensraum" concept.

20 posted on 10/17/2013 1:22:39 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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