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A Georgia Tech researcher asks: Where are the black students in science, math?
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 9:43 p.m. Monday, Sept. 16, 2013 | Kamau Bobb

Posted on 09/17/2013 6:53:55 PM PDT by Pan_Yan

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71 percent of the 2,500 black students in APS who took the Mathematics II exam in 2011, failed and only 1 percent, 25 students, passed with distinction (Pass Plus). By contrast, only 21 percent of white students failed with 79 percent passing and 23 percent of those passing with distinction.

In Fulton County, where 62 percent of black students failed the Mathematics II exam, 90 percent of the white students passed, 32 percent with distinction. The failure rates and achievement gaps throughout most of the school districts in the metro-Atlanta area are astonishing.

The consequence of this reality is that black students are excluded from much of the STEM conversation and are nearly entirely excluded from the higher level STEM education discourse. For the incoming 2013 freshman class of first time full time freshmen at Georgia Tech, for example, there were only 61 applicants from the entire Atlanta Public School system, nearly 2,500 seniors. Of those 61 applicants, 26 were admitted and 15 have enrolled.

Despite APS being 79 percent black students, only 28 percent, or 17 applicants, of the total applicants from APS were black. Of those 17 applicants, only 1 black freshman was admitted.

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TOPICS: Education; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: atlanta; blackstudents; education; georgiatech; highereducation; missing; stem
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To: UCANSEE2

“[Where are the black students in science, math?]

In the hood, don’t they just shoot all the nerds?”

All too true. Before the Dade County Teachers Goonion realized I was communism deficient, I wrote courses for teachers and students.

One of my gifted students was black and in the profoundly gifted catagory. He attended the Dade County Pooblik Skrewl Collective’s top science school. He took a bus out to the school for the gifted along with the students going to a school for future criminals.

The future criminals were threatening to knife him for “acting white” because he was a top student at the MAST Academy as the Pooblik Skrewl Collective hive he attended was officially named.

I remember him asking me to let him borrow a small .22 revolver because he was seriously concerned. Refusing him was one of the more difficult decisions I have made because I knew the risk was real and his IQ was sufficient to make him a significant future creator of valuable ideas.

Urban Ferals should have a bounty on them, say $50,000 each.

It worked out West, and could work again.

Just sayin’.


61 posted on 09/17/2013 8:17:04 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

These poor achievement numbers in math and science are due to a variety of issues, but absolutely are not due to lack of ability or any problem with or differences in innate intelligence.”

The above is a statement needing citations, lest it be dismissed as mere ideology. Worse yet, your statement might be used as an example of who one is ill advised to draw a vast conclusion from a half vast data sample.


62 posted on 09/17/2013 8:22:21 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: Morgana
I have no idea of what you just said.

May I kindly refer you to post #50 for assistance elucidating that?

63 posted on 09/17/2013 8:25:25 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: BerryDingle

Yes - it pretty much explains everything. They even suggested possible solutions. In return for their troubles they were lynched by the media.


64 posted on 09/17/2013 8:27:50 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Pan_Yan
Where are the black students in science, math?

Where? They are axing a closely related question themselves: "Where da white wymyns at?"

65 posted on 09/17/2013 8:31:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: GladesGuru

Correction to my post 62.
“an example of who one is ill advised to draw a vast conclusion from a half vast data sample.” has “one” and “who” in reverse order.

My apologies.


66 posted on 09/17/2013 8:33:24 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Prof. Shockley was crucified on the cross for multiculturalism. Lyndon Johnson was the promoter of this belief as to societal characteristics. He wanted to give the USA a Tower of Babel and we can now experience a similar collapse.


67 posted on 09/17/2013 8:35:09 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

>> IQ is also a product of culture and what you are exposed to as a child

Nonsense.

I agree, however, that intellect/IQ is not the reason for the low levels of involvement. It’s simply a matter of making bad choices.


68 posted on 09/17/2013 8:37:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Pan_Yan

Where are the black students who can read & write?


69 posted on 09/17/2013 8:39:16 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ClearCase_guy
It’s the IQ thing. Known for a long, long time, but we’re not supposed to talk about it.

Yeah, we can talk about it but the 'it' we are supposed to talk about is the result of poverty, thug culture, no dads, not enough good food, slavery, racism and multiple other things that are mostly BS. It matters not that this issue, the gap, the so called 'education gap' never seems to change.

70 posted on 09/17/2013 8:39:51 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Where are the black students who can read & write?

In cursive?

71 posted on 09/17/2013 8:40:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Paradox

In my college engineering program, there were black students. Several hailed from Nigeria and other African nations, while one notable one came from the Caribbean. Cannot recall an African-American, though one might have existed.


72 posted on 09/17/2013 8:44:01 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
IQ is also a product of culture and what you are exposed to as a child

Fine (despite disagreements above), but IQ in a wider sense which includes the desire to achieve. By itself, this IQ myth that's worshipped by the culture, measured precisely by Scientologists, is nothing more than an ability to solve puzzles and a talent for performing well on tests. It's well known that people with fast intelligence get easily bored, and some I've know failed to complete these stupid tests out of sheer impatience.

73 posted on 09/17/2013 8:44:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

>> The default position of “it’s all cultural” is not based on scientific data but on politics.

Or in deference.

And it’s also fair to say there’s no direct correlation between IQ and morality, nor integrity.


74 posted on 09/17/2013 8:45:04 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Paradox
I'm from a group that does poorly in such tests. I, however, am an exception. Whats special about me? I was raised in an upper middle class family, whose parents made damn sure he did well in school, whose parents encouraged learning and intellectual pursuits.
American "black" culture is a failure, academically speaking. I don't think its as genetic as many here might think, I knew too many minorities in college, usually from a non-American black upbringing, who were in engineering and science, and did as well as I did. Its mostly a cultural debacle we have witnessed.

CULTURAL DEBACLE. I've never heard it put that way however, THAT is the problem in a nutshell. Fatherless children. It's especially hard on the young black males who REALLY need a black dad to teach them to deal with adult male...and white...authority. White dads teach their sons to deal with adult male authority and the black dads have that one more step to do.

75 posted on 09/17/2013 8:49:27 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Pan_Yan

Clearly they were using racist numbers on these math tests....


76 posted on 09/17/2013 8:50:12 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Genetics is partially involved. This is why smarter parents have, on average, smarter children.
Environment is also a factor. Fetal alcohol exposure, malnutrition, micro-nutrient deficits and lack of care all stunt growth - regardless of your genetics. The disease load of malaria and worms could account for some of the decreased IQ in Africa, relative to the rest of the world. Or why the lower classes are always deemed dumber - poorer diet and higher disease burden made them so, not necessarily bad genetics.

“Guns, Germs and Steel” says natural selection / social selection is responsible for Ashkenazim Jews having an average intelligence one standard deviation above average. However, another text mentioned that Jews were more likely to have books in their homes and be literate relative to Russian neighbors of the same social status - a cultural trait.

In short, genetics determine your maximum potential. Environment can cut it short. The current black culture tearing down kids who try to excel in academics, a lack of two-parent families for support and involvement, a heavy dose of drugs and crime and stress create a toxic environment.

Whether the black “average” is lower than whites is debatable. What is fact is that their current culture creates an environment that lowers their collective IQ.


77 posted on 09/17/2013 8:50:49 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Pan_Yan

MATH????????? Hell, I thought they said meth


78 posted on 09/17/2013 8:50:59 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: backwoods-engineer
Those would-be students are dead, either Trayvonned or aborted before they could draw a breath. The federal and blue-state governments have destroyed the black family, thus ending the chances for millions of would-be George Washington Carvers. Instead, feral black youths kill one another and prey on others in an EBT-fueled cycle of violence, all charged to the Federal Reserve’s bottomless credit card.

The American black family has been a failure since the 1960's. Before that they were, more or less, on a par with other families. White families were able to make it through those awful 60's years (more or less) but the more fragile black family had a TOUGH time.

79 posted on 09/17/2013 8:51:54 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: yarddog

One historical dead give-away is to consider if several hundred thousand Caucasians were held in slavery, it would not take 150 years for the rest of Caucasians to rescue them or at least try. Did any Africans even attempt to rescue their kin? No, they tried selling us and the muslims more.

I feel sorry for those held in slavery, whether it was as agricultural workers and servants or as pawns for liberals.

What we are experiencing now from the out of control African-American culture is plain and simple Karma Police for our ancestor’s selfish and cruel stupidity. If they over power and prevail, as they certainly wish, we will all end up no different from any African country.


80 posted on 09/17/2013 8:52:58 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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