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To: the_Watchman
the_Watchman: "the statement "this is not designed" intentionally EXCLUDES the possibility of a creating God."

Of course, since that is what the word "science" means: natural explanations for natural processes.
As soon as you say, or imply, the word "God" you are not, by definition, being scientific.
Doesn't mean you are wrong, it's just that science by definition of the word is not allowed to go there.

the_Watchman: "the phrase 'natural processes' also is a veiled attempt to EXCLUDE a creative God from the equation."

You still don't "get it", do you?
There's nothing "veiled" about it.
From Day One of the scientific enterprise that, precisely, has been "the deal" -- science does not ever intrude on, confirm or deny anything outside the natural realm.

So, if you wish to inject God into your world view, then you must do it yourself.
Science will not do it for you -- not now, not ever.

And I'm here to tell you, believe me, you don't want science attempting to define what is, or is not, God or God's Hand, or God's works or anything else having to do with your own religious faith.
That's not the job of science, it's not the function of science, and by definition of the word, it's not "science".

Now, finally, do you "get it"?

37 posted on 09/17/2013 11:34:23 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

What I “get” is that you have totally bought into the concepts introduced during the European so-called “Enlightenment” that crowded God out of science. In the actual “Day One” Theology was dubbed the Queen of the Sciences.

The Western belief in a beneficent rational creator led directly to the scientific advances of the last 1000 years. Western science, whether it wishes to deny the past or not, is standing on the broad shoulders of those in the past who were exploring God’s creation engaged in a process of reverse engineering; i.e., examining and marveling at the DESIGN.

BTW: Why don’t you drop the snarkiness? I have given this quite a bit more than a “little thought” and I “get” quite a bit more than you might think.


38 posted on 09/17/2013 1:53:24 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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