Posted on 09/10/2013 3:06:04 AM PDT by nikos1121
I’ve been thinking about this all night...It doesn’t make sense to me. Does anyone else feel the same way I do?
Putin is very very quick, almost too quick, to offer the INternational control of weapons IMMEDIATELY after Kerry’s faux Paux. Why?
I don't think in the least that he fears Obama, or even respects the man as his equal. So why would he make an offer that on the surface will ultimately make Obama look good esp in the eyes of the media, and make him looks like he caved to Obama's threats?
Anyone over the age of 40 kows that the Russians are and always will be liars. They will promise anything to get what they want.
I say this whole thing is set up to expose Obama for the phony he is in this matter. It is not an offer made by a man who fears Obama. To the contrary, I believe that it's an empty offer that intends to ultimately embarrass Obama in the media even more so than he has been.
Think about this. The administration at first says Kerry's comments were rhetorical, giving us the idea that Kerry messed up, but then pundits spin this to sound like Obama got the Russians to do this, and now Obama is taking credit for it. Hillary steps in too.
Makes no sense. Sounds to me like a sly move by Putin that in the end will undermine Obama even more.
I can't help but think that Putin is toying with us, and Obama and company are falling right into it. Why would the Russians be afraid of Obama esp when he says this is going to be an extremely small bombing.
So why did he offer this?
Let’s think this through. WHy would Putin make this offer, unless his intelligence has made it very clear that Obama is using the chemical weapons as a pretense to rally support to bomb Syria and support the MB fight against Syria.
I think that PUtin knows it's got nothing to do with chemical weapons, and to prove it he immediately offers to take that issue off the table.
Now the ball is back in Obama’s court and the MSM can applaud him as there should no longer be an issue for war. The media already are saying Obama is the smartest guy in the room. He got the Russians to cave without firing a shot. Game should be over, right?
WRONG. The Saudi’s, Obama etc want regime change in Syria. It’s not about dying babies and chemical weapons. It’s about regime change and supporting the MB. Same game as in Libya and Egypt.
Boy, I would think Obama is fuming about this. NOw he's called out by the Russians and there's again no where to hide for him. If the Russians and Syrians say we're removing the weapons, the whole matter should be over.
So the Russians figure Obama will back off on his threat to bomb. What will the Russians do? They can spin this all they want for as long as they want. I predict that they will take their fine time on this. Weeks, months maybe a year. Hahahaha.
Why do I picture Putin over there with this big grin on his face. He's thinking, I'll not only beat Obama on any battle field because I know that man is a coward, but I'll beat him in the social media as well.
Does anyone actually believe that Assad will destroy his chemical weapons? Who will watch over the weapons? Hey, I got an idea, how about the Russians? Maybe they'll offer to do so in fact, I'm sure that's all part of it.
And just a thought. What if after some international scrutiny it turns out the chemical weapons came from Iraq, from Saddam? Then what? Don't think Kerry and company would like that information to get out now would they.
BOTTOM LINE NOW IS THAT THE CONGRESS AND AMERICAN PEOPLE CANNOT BE DUPED INTO VOTING FOR BOMBING UNDER ANY CONTINGENCY. IN OTHER WORDS THIS SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE VOTE. BOEHNER SHOULD NOW CALL A VOTE ON THIS. WE NEED TO GIVE OBAMA A CLEAR "NO" ON HAVING ANY MANDATE TO BOMB SYRIA.
I'm asking for Freepers to give me their take on this. I'm saying Putin has pulled a remarkable gambit move here. I say he'll promise anything to put Obama on the spot to back off his threats, in turn exposing Obama. Putin knows the media now will run with this.
Like I said, no one with any intelligence actually believes that Obama wants to bomb Syria because of the chemical weapons. Bob Menedez, Kerry and all the other simpletons can say all they want about dying babies. I say bull.
This whole thing is predicated on the clear assumption that Assad unleashed the weapons. Where is the proof? If he did then why would he offer to destroy them or to even render them unusable. Show the American public the proof.
The whole thing on the surface makes no sense unless you start by realizing this is about Obama's long term covert support for the MB and to do what the Saudi's want him to do.
Hey Henry Kessinger, Charles Krauthammer anyone! What the heck is going on here? Please tell us.
It sure is making us all think. The Christians in this area are finding security under Assad and Putin. We offer them nothing, absolutely nothing.
We had a chance to be a player in the Middle East. Obama blew it with that stupid “Arab Spring” nonsense.
.....”it was never about chemical weapons anyway. May as well hunker down for WW3 at this point”.....
Well just as in this case...we’ve been ready to after Syria twice now and it’s been stalled.....how long this will stall is not in mans hands IMO.....they are simply being used in a much larger war we’re seeing play out here.
That aside...whatever Obama does or doesn’t do...he’s out of the pickle he was in...because he’s parked this war directly onto Putin and Syria now.
There is no good outcome to Syria...the country is practically destroyed...but significant to the Arabs for their Caliphat.....meanwhile the Sunni/Shite war will continue on determining which one will get the prize of ruling over the ME nations.
Russia China Europe and the Us will continue to meddle in all this but both are weakened now.....each takes a turn at appearing as the stronger but reality says all the wealth is in the ME......and now Israel has her gas wells too....so they’ll be going after those all in good time.
did you see post #67?
We have idiots in charge in this country. I see little to be hopeful for at this point.
We bow to the Qatari you know. They are the ones pulling the strings at the white house.
Well that may very well be ‘the hook’ that brings russia into the thick of it by that I mean into Syria with their own troops....and too close to Israel then for comfort........but let’s not forget China standing by in this...like Russia they have their hand hidden close to their chest until they are ready to play and see the advantage they will have by doing so.
The game is on and will at best slow..at most wars will continue and gather steam again...it’s not in the least over.
Thanks! Just read it
So true! It may not be 100% idiocy. It's hard to make the right decision for your country when your objective is to teach your country a lesson for all the "evil" it has done in the past and especially when your foreign policy aims to empower enemies of the United States such as Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood and replace US allies with those enemies who hate America.
...”Putin has threatened to bomb Saudi Arabia if we bomb Syria”...
The Rebels have threatened to gas and bomb Israel if we don’t bomb Syria.
Israel has threatened to flatten Damascus if they get bombed...
Meanwhile Iran sits over there and watches the game while it continues to develope Nuclear Bombs to take out Israel.
Looks like the world is sitting up for a man with all the answers.....
These are dangerous times, and I think to a large degree Obama doesn’t like to be shown up. He is going to get us into a fighting war over his hurt pride. No doubt in my mind.
Putin replied to by saying “Our stance on Assad will never change. We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters”
Ya gotta love Putin. "liver eaters" I am still laughing.
See my last post about the liver eaters. Enjoy Putin. He always had the knack for these kinds of comments.
....”They are the ones pulling the strings at the white house”....
It’s been a long time since our representatives or administration has been running our country...all you have to do is look where we are today...look how the phoney elections have gone....and how short of time it took to knock our feet from under the people.
There is no opposition....and it’s all about the International Community and it’s leaders now...they are all playing all the people of every nation now.... we are really only sitting in the batters box waiting til it’s time for us to be called........and it will always be with Military Force and our troops.
Make no mistake the man is a very shrewd operator and knows precisely what he is doing.....but he's still bad.
Putin literally hates the Jihadists and their like....he knows them well and they don’t dare oppose him in his country..if they attempt or even look like or sound like a Jihadists he simply executes them.
Pretty bad when Russia can identify the bad guys while we put them in office in our NAtion.
Very interesting read...to bad you can’t post it....maybe for ten minutes special permission and we can all race to read it through fast before it’s pulled?
Funny. We should be alligned with him against these liver eaters. IN fact the whole world would be had we had anyone else in office instead of the Muslim.
Unfortunately the more digging I do, the more it looks like the entire payroll of the liver eaters is on us, Saudi and Qatar. And has been for a long time it seems.
“The Christians in this area are finding security under Assad and Putin. We offer them nothing, absolutely nothing.”
Yes, I agree, we offer them nothing, as a nation.
The thing is, God has given man (mankind)His revelation of Himself and of man’s root problem, and of His Sending His Son to set man free from the root problem so he can have eternal life, and most people do not want to hear it. (The way to life is narrow, Matthew 7:14.)
Discussion can go on “ad infinitum,” AND it has already gone on “ad nauseam,” and there is no way man can fix his world, his country, his leaders, his family, or even himself. God has spoken all He is going to speak in His Word, the Bible, which He says men will continue to ignore to the very end. (2 Peter 3:1-18).
True Christians all over the world who believe in His Son and study His Word and live in obedience to it, do not find their security in their leaders.
Psalm 2 speaks of the nations (all of them) and their rejection of their Creator and His Son, and the outcome for all those who do not take warning. Interesting that this Psalm was written around 1,000 years before God’s Son, Jesus Christ, was born. The Psalm is a solemn call to repentance and faith in the Son. It is to individuals of all nations. The deception and wickedness of the world will not be “fixed” until the Son returns to this earth to rule it. While man looks everywhere else for answers to life, they are all in the Bible and fulfilled in His Son (Matthew 5:17-18).
bttt!!!
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