Posted on 09/07/2013 11:57:54 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
The mother of a kindergarten boy Kansas City received a citation for criminal assault because, police say, she inflicted a vicious beatdown on the boy’s teacher.
The pummeling occurred on Thursday night at Truman Elementary School. Simone A. Baker, 24, allegedly entered the school and proceeded directly to the unidentified teacher’s classroom at about 6 p.m., reports The Kansas City Star.
She said, “You better not touch my kid again.” She punched the teacher, 49, upside the head five to 10 times. Next, narrates a police report, Baker jerked the teacher out of her chair by the hair. Then, for good measure, Baker smashed the teacher’s head against a filing cabinet—twice.
Baker’s next move was to run swiftly out of the classroom and out of the school building
There were no students in the classroom when the incident occurred.
On the way to the classroom, Baker ran right by the school principal, whom she had called just moments earlier as she was heading to the school. The principal gathered a posse and headed to the classroom, arriving just after the altercation ended.
Baker had a motive. Earlier in the day, her six-year-old son had come home with a scratch on his neck. He apparently told his mother that the teacher caused it when she had punished him for something during the school day.
Hickman Mills School District officials told local NBC affiliate KSHB that something did, in fact, happen between the kindergarten teacher and the student, but they provided no additional details.
On Friday, notes The Star, the boy told police and school officials that the teacher didn’t hurt him.
A roving KSHB reporter interviewed a couple of veritable moms on the street to get a bead on neighborhood opinion.
“If you’re not going to stand up for your child, who is?” asked one mom wearing a skull-design t-shirt.
Another mom in a Chiefs jersey disagreed.
“No words. Who does that?” she asked. “I mean, I love my kids to death but you got to take yourself out of the situation and act like an adult.”
A school district spokeswoman told The Star that the teacher got checked out at a hospital after the attack. She was released with little ado.
The spokeswoman added that the district intends to prosecute Baker to “the fullest extent of the law.”
How about if you found out your child's teacher was teaching him mmmm mmmm mmmm Barack Hussaein Obama?
Just curious...lol
Yep, and we pay property taxes through the nose for it. Makes me sick to my stomach, to be quite blunt about it.
I am sick of teachers being held up for adulation as if they were somehow resurrected Mother Teresas. The truth is that they WILLINGLY choose to run an EVIL institution that hurts children and forces taxpayers to pay for it.
Government schools are inherently evil institutions, and forcing children to attend them is also evil. But some teachers are part of the anti-fascist Resistance.
Think of Schindler’s List.
Implied is a comparison of the government's police enforced K-12 schooling to concentration camps. The comparison is appropriate.
Your comparison to Schindler is that he did not willingly seek, train for, and apply for his job as a slave driver of Jewish workers. He was pushed into it. Government teachers willing seek their positions of enablers of godless spiritual destruction.
Are their some “good” government K-12 teachers? Yes! But, I have never met one.
A “good” government teacher is warning every parent they meet to **remove** their children from the government schools. They are speaking out against school policies that harm children spiritually, physically, and emotionally. They refuse to join the union. Good government teachers are harassed by being given the worst school assignments. They are never promoted to positions of influence.
I have never met a “good” government teacher.
Well lemme ask ya rusty, if your reputation, your career, and or school record and or your criminal record were on the line, would ya want some wannabe biased kiddy principal playing investigator?
Principals are required to be the initial investigators of all disciplinary issues on campus whether involving students or faculty or both.
You mean like when cops investigate other cops? Ya see a conflict here rusty?
Feel free to answer these questions:
Who trains the kiddy's principal to perform legitimate *unbaised* investigations and conduct face to face investigative interviews regarding incidents involving potential civil and or criminal issues?
Should investigations that affect individuals school records, police records, and or their employment be left to someone who is clearly biased, who personally knows those involved?
Is this not a glaring obvious conflict of interest rusty?
There is a big difference between reporting an event or incident and conducting a legitimate unbiased formal investigation. No?
Should employees within these government schools, the IRS, police departments, or any government offices for that matter, be allowed to conduct formal investigations? What about the punishment they themselves enact or fail to enact? Would this be considered unbiased, credible and legitimate?
After their investigation, would the punishment they decide or fail to implement not been considered biased or in conflict?
Do you not see a huge conflict of interest here?
School districts and their corrupt government unions waste billions of dollars every year and most produce uneducated students...Should those responsible for this also be allowed to conduct their own internal investigations?
In my eyes, govenrment school principals or any government entity conducting their own formal internal investigations should set off alarms and be enough to make most recoil.
re: “Well lemme ask ya rusty, if your reputation, your career, and or school record and or your criminal record were on the line, would ya want some wannabe biased kiddy principal playing investigator?. . .You mean like when cops investigate other cops? Ya see a conflict here rusty?. . . Feel free to answer these questions:. . . Who trains the kiddy’s principal to perform legitimate *unbaised* investigations and conduct face to face investigative interviews regarding incidents involving potential civil and or criminal issues? . . . Should investigations that affect individuals school records, police records, and or their employment be left to someone who is clearly biased, who personally knows those involved? . . . Is this not a glaring obvious conflict of interest rusty? . . . There is a big difference between reporting an event or incident and conducting a legitimate unbiased formal investigation. No?”
Ok, dragnet2, I’ve answered all the above questions twice now.
PRINCIPALS DO NOT CONDUCT FORMAL INVESTIGATIONS!!! They conduct initial investigations with all parties involved. That’s their job!! That’s the job of ANY department or division head of a private company or government entity.
If, after an initial interview/investigation (whatever you want to call it), IF THERE IS SUFFICIENT question or evidence that the incident falls within a criminal catagory - THEN YES, YES, YES - the police are brought in to do a formal investigation.
If, after an initial interview/investigation a school event falls within the ordinary sphere of school discipline (chewing gum, talking back, general misbehavior, etc.), the school/parents/students are all involved to fix the problem.
With school personnel, if a teacher is accused of something that rises to the level of the criminal - THEN YES, YES, YES, the police are brought in. The teacher has the right to bring a lawyer, the principal has a right to give what information he/she knows - and, yes, the principal potentially has a lot of power over the teacher and their career.
Parents and teachers can call for outside investigations/lawyers to support their side of any story or event.
Can a principal’s initial interview/investigation be a conflict of interest? Of course! But, whether it is or not, the principal is required to make initial inquiries - why?? Because the principal is the responsible party for what happens on their campus - they are held liable by the public and the state for what happens on their campus.
So feel free to answer me, drag, if you were a dept. head, or a principal, and YOU are held liable for what occurs on the job - wouldn’t YOU want to have the right to interview those involved???
If a principal makes an initial investigation into some school incident, and does nothing, or tries to sweep it under the rug, the parents, the teacher, the students have every right and opportunity to go public, to bring in lawyers, to call the cops themselves.
But, as I’ve said at least ten times already - the principal MUST make an initial interview/investigation of all school incidents - unless of course we are talking about a Sandy Hook incident of a gunman killing kids on campus - but, even there - the principal is going to be on the hot seat for why it occurred.
This is not rocket science, drag.
Lets see...Suddenly you've gone from "Investigation" to "initial inquire"....rusty is getting it.
For the record I agree, "initial inquire" is all they should do. They should never ever conduct an "investigation".
An investigation is the systematic detailed search or examination in order to discover facts. No?
In fact government school teachers and their administrators are not even trained to conduct investigative interviews. No?
1. Government school teachers and administrators are not trained investigators, nor a are they trained to be investigators.
2. Government entities, schools, police departments, the IRS, the Feds etc, should never be allowed investigate themselves or conduct internal investigations due to obvious biases and conflicts of interest. No?
In fact, this is a why there is an inordinate amount of corruption in government public schools, police departments, the IRS, the federal government and in fact government at ALL levels. This is directly due to the fact there is no real independent oversight of these corrupt government institutions. They just do what they please.
Do you not understand this rusty?
re: “For the record I agree, “initial inquire” is all they should do. They should never ever conduct an “investigation”.
Dragnet, call it an “initial inquiry”, or an “initial investigation” - they are part of an “investigation”.
What is the significant difference between an “initial inquiry/initial investigation” and an “investigation”, dragnet?? Aren’t they all part of the investigation process?
Principals do investigations up to a point. If, in the process of their interviews/investigation/inquiry they find that there is evidence that this may rise to the level of a criminal matter, they MUST notify the police, who then take over the investigation that has already been started.
You seem to think a principal or a teacher is incapable of asking questions when looking into a situation or event that happened at school.
What do the police do when they “investigate” something, dragnet? Don’t they ask questions?? Don’t they interview everyone involved?
You seem to be saying that every event that happens at school that might involve discipline of a student or a teacher must involve the police department. From chewing gum to a schoolyard fight, you want the cops to investigate??
No one ever said that the investigations that principals do have the same force of law that the police have. Which isn’t a problem because the vast majority of disciplinary incidents that occur are not of a criminal nature.
Now, it is true that a principal is the supervisor of every faculty member, and what they put in a report about a teacher CAN indeed severely hurt that teacher’s career. The teacher, if he/she chooses, can get their own legal defense.
“An investigation is the systematic detailed search or examination in order to discover facts. No? In fact government school teachers and their administrators are not even trained to conduct investigative interviews. No?”
I agree, in general, with your definition of an “investigation”, but I disagree with you about teachers/administrators not being capable of conducting investigative interviews. Were your parents trained investigators, dragnet? Did they ever discover something you did through their own “investigation”? This is not forensic science, dragnet. If a kid punches another kid. You talk to everyone involved, witnesses, etc. This stuff happens nearly every week - are you seriously saying only cops can investigate this? A kid trashes up the boys bathroom - how do you find out who did this? You ask questions, you find out what time the kid was gone from the classroom, you discover all the evidence you can, then go form there.
Were you ever in school, dragnet? Do you have kids, dragnet? Have you ever had to look into what they were doing? It’s not that difficult.
“1. Government school teachers and administrators are not trained investigators, nor a are they trained to be investigators.”
Just curious, dragnet, when you say, “government school teachers”, which government are you talking about? The federal government, or your local school district? The federal government or the state you reside in? Public school teachers are not employed by the federal government, they work for your state government and local school district. They are not from Washington D.C.
To answer your question about being “trained investigators” - what are you talking about? We’re not talking about crime scenes here. We’re talking about crap that happens at school everyday. If a weapon or real assault takes place, then yes, as I’ve already answered 20 times now, the police are brought in.
As to a principal supervising a teacher - both are trained in their profession. A principal has had years of experience in the classroom, then must go through two or three years of internship as an “assistant principal” (it depends on the state). The principals are trained in how to evaluate teachers in their profession. Each state has an evaluation process, and yes, principals are trained in evaluating teachers under their supervision.
Let me ask you a question. If principals or teachers are unqualified to do preliminary investigations of everyday school incidences, then who do you suggest DOES have that authority?? I’m speaking of “investigating” a schoolyard scuffle, chewing gum under the table, disruptions within the classroom, etc. Are you seriously suggesting that cops do this?? I can tell you right now that they would laugh in your face. You can barely get them to investigate burglaries let alone a schoolyard brawl.
So, if the cops won’t investigate chewing gun incidences, who do you suggest should?
OK rusty, lets continue to allow the unionized government public schools, their agents and other government agencies to conduct their own investigations.
Lets continue to allow more sophisticated govenrment agencies such as the IRS, FBI, local police departments, NSA and others to perform and conduct their own internal investigation...It’s all worked out so well!
We have nothing to worry about. Eric Holder and many others in government completely agrees with ya Mr. rusty!
We all know unionized government public schools and other government agencies are so honorable, credible and corruption free.
There is no bias, or conflict of interest when they conduct their own investigations!
Business as usual....Very slick rusty!
OK rusty, lets continue to allow the unionized government public schools, their agents and other government agencies to conduct their own investigations.
Lets continue to allow more sophisticated govenrment agencies such as the IRS, FBI, local police departments, NSA and others to perform and conduct their own internal investigation...It’s all worked out so well!
We have nothing to worry about. Eric Holder and many others in government completely agrees with ya Mr. rusty!
We all know unionized government public schools and other government agencies are so honorable, credible and corruption free.
There is no bias, or conflict of interest when they conduct their own investigations!
Business as usual....Very slick rusty!
In fact, the private sector should just butt out and keep paying those taxes...All those in the public government schools are looking forward to their tax paid bloated government pensions and those tax paid big gov top shelf benefits..Government has no need for real legitimate oversight...Get back to work and pay those taxes!
Dragnet,
Who should do the investigating?
Should school personnel be permitted to deal with what? Anything?
What outside body would you have investigate the chewing gum issues, the classroom disruption (kid talking out consistently), the schoolyard punch in the nose?
You never answer those questions.
Do you have a state government? Do you have a school district? Do your state’s teachers work for your state?
Guess what, my state has a right to work law - many don’t belong to the union - they don’t have to.
Does conflict of interest ever happen? Absolutely! But, dragnet, there are lawyers to represent parents, teachers, and other individuals.
What private sector company or business do you work for that wouldn’t investigate issues as part of an overall investigation????
This story or article is not about chewing gum or kiddies disrupting class rusty.
You're not kidding anyone here rusty.
How about citizens panels, groups of parents regarding school issues which could be based on independent licensed investigator reports who had total access? Compared to epic government waste, this would be cheap.
Is this too complex for corrupt government entities? Since school districts and government at every levels wastes billions of dollars every year, why would this be a problem rusty? If you could be specific?
I am really conflicted on this one.
Seriously.
re: “ How about citizens panels, groups of parents regarding school issues which could be based on independent licensed investigator reports who had total access? Compared to epic government waste, this would be cheap.
Is this too complex for corrupt government entities? Since school districts and government at every levels wastes billions of dollars every year, why would this be a problem rusty? If you could be specific?”
Now, we’re getting somewhere, dragnet. Actually, could YOU be more specific??
What entity would recruit these “citizens panels” or “groups of parents”?
As to these “independent licensed investigator reports who had total access” - Who would provide these “independent licensed investigator reports”? And, “licensed” by whom??
Wouldn’t these “independent” citizens groups have to be recruited by the district or the state government?
Who would be authorized to create such an “independent” group? Who would “license” the investigators? Wouldn’t that also be some government entity as well?
And who overseas/supervises these “outside” investigatory group(s) to make sure they are truly “independent” and “unbiased”?
re: “ This story or article is not about chewing gum or kiddies disrupting class rusty. You’re not kidding anyone here rusty.”
Exactly - I’m not kidding anyone. So, now you think local school principals and teachers ARE capable of investigating at least some school incidents?? You kept saying they were incapable of investigating anything. That’s what I was trying to find out from you.
So, if I’m hearing you correctly, principals and teachers CAN investigate at least at SOME level? We don’t have to call the cops or organize some “parent group” to check into chewing gum or every schoolyard fight?
You’re now saying that a principal IS capable of investigating school incidents and IS capable of knowing when to call in outside authorities?
You see, you did not differentiate between everyday school incidents and major altercations like the one described in the article. But, dragnet, even in the case described, the first persons the cops are going to question are the principal and the teacher. They will want to know what the principal found out in his/her investigation/inquiry - why? Because it’s the job of the principal to know what’s going on in his/her school - they supposedly know their own personnel, they supposedly have talked with the parents and the teacher involved already before they (the cops) get there.
If that’s not what you are saying, then I guess you want some kind of outside group of parents or citizens to be on campus to monitor all school incidents? How would that work? Don’t they have private jobs? Or, would they be paid? Who picks these citizens? Other citizens? Who gets to select the selectors?
Counterargument:
“If you’re not going to discipline your child, who is?”
There was a time in America when a schoolchild feared their parents discipline more than their teacher's and they knew their parents would reinforce their teacher's discipline.
Government oversight is too hard...It can't be done!
Government knows better!
Those in government do not want or need any independent oversight by independent outside investigators...There is no need for parent volunteer oversight boards supervising the corrupt government public school...This is impossible to do anyway...
Nor do we need vigilantes volunteers on the borders...it's all too complex...
It's impossible! Something might go wrong...
Let just allow agents and their employees within the government public schools and other government departments such as the Dept of Education, the NSA, IRS, police departments and the FBI to do their jobs.
Hillary and Attorney General Holder say butt out of government business! Everything is fine! They know better! Get back to work you peons!
Good thinken rusty!
Very slick!
Baker’s next move was to run swiftly out of the classroom and out of the school building On the way to the classroom, Baker ran right by the school principal, whom she had called just moments earlier as she was heading to the school
Didn't we learn anything from Newtown?
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