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To: xzins; C. Edmund Wright; Triple; Servant of the Cross; Lakeshark
One problem is that there are those of us who believe in Original Intent and those who are strict literalists. The ORIGINAL INTENT of the Constitution was to prohibit people who had divided loyalty from attaining the highest office in the nation. That is why they wanted only those who were citizens of the United States by virtue of their birth to be president. They also gave Congress the power to define who is or who is not a citizen at the time of birth and there have been a number of laws that were instituted defining those who are citizens at birth since 1789. There is no literal definition of "Natural Born Citizen", however there are only two kinds of Citizens now and there were only two kinds in 1789. Those who are Citizens at Birth and those who become Citizens after birth through naturalization laws.

If the laws in effect at the time of your birth make you a citizen of the United States, then you are a Natural Born Citizen. Unfortunately the Congress has seen fit to make every child born in the United States an automatic Citizen of the United States and that makes a lot of people with no loyalty at all to the United States Citizens at birth.

At any rate, there is no legal basis for declaring that Ted Cruz is not a Natural Born Citizen. The only ones who claim otherwise are those who apparently have some psychic connection to the founders and are able to read their minds 200 years after they died.

This is a distraction and too many FREEPERS are joining in the effort to undermine Ted Cruz based on some ridiculous notion that there are three kinds of Citizens and that somehow you can be a citizen at birth without becoming a "Natural Born Citizen". There is no basis in history for any such notion. It is as illogical an argument as anyone can possibly think up. Those who promulgate this argument over and over are doing nothing but buying into the effort to destroy Ted Cruz my any means necessary. For that reason, those who continue to post this kind of nonsense have no place at Free Republic. They can spew their nonsense elsewhere.

140 posted on 08/27/2013 2:46:04 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

“If the laws in effect at the time of your birth make you a citizen of the United States, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.”

If the laws in effect at the time of your birth make you a natural born citizen of the United States, then you are legally a natural born citizen. This was the case 1790-1795

If the laws in effect at the time of your birth make you a citizen of the United States, then you are legally a citizen. This has been the case since 1795, and is the case currently.


142 posted on 08/27/2013 2:52:31 PM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: P-Marlowe; C. Edmund Wright; Triple; Servant of the Cross; Lakeshark
If the laws in effect at the time of your birth make you a citizen of the United States, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.

IIRC, the laws of Germany make those born there an automatic citizen. The US military has assigned hundreds of thousands of family member to German since the post-WWII era. As a chaplain I visited the newborns in the hospital just like I'd do anyone else. Thousands of babies have been born to our soldiers and family members while stationed overseas.

NOT ONE of those babies requested German citizenship. It was simply conferred upon them. The vast majority returned back to the USA and their place in American life.

These little babies didn't have a clue who was filling out paperwork on them in some bureaucratic office. It was not based on some act of volition.

Questioning their allegiance seems irrational to me.

It would be like screwing with my credit rating because 25 companies mailed me credit advertisements this past week.

174 posted on 08/27/2013 3:22:46 PM PDT by xzins
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