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1 posted on 08/10/2013 6:09:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Tim Carney also wrote a first part to this article on the 68th anniversary of the dropping of the bomb:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/it-was-wrong-to-bomb-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/article/2533978

It was wrong to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Ending a war is a good thing. Killing civilians a bad thing.

Deliberately targeting civilians is murder, and is never morally licit, even in pursuit of a good thing such as ending a war.

The tens of thousands of Japanese non-combatants we killed 68 years ago this week with two nuclear bombs were not “collateral damage” of military strikes. They were the intended targets.

We hoped that mass murder would bring the Japanese emperor to surrender. It worked, and American and Japanese soldiers’ lives were probably saved by it — which is why most people disagree with me on the ethics of the A-Bomb.

But what if we could have ended the war without the A-Bomb? John Denson at Mises.org argues that we could have:

Japanese leaders, both military and civilian, including the Emperor, were willing to surrender in May of 1945 if the Emperor could remain in place and not be subjected to a war crimes trial after the war. This fact became known to President Truman as early as May of 1945.

I’m no historian, and if anyone can refute the facts in this piece, please do — because the article seems to make the clear argument that the atomic bomb was inexcusable.


2 posted on 08/10/2013 6:10:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Harry Kari.


3 posted on 08/10/2013 6:10:49 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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I give you Operation: Downfall...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall


4 posted on 08/10/2013 6:14:44 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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5 posted on 08/10/2013 6:14:49 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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it wasn't necessary to BOMB Pearl Harbor!!! feh...
7 posted on 08/10/2013 6:16:12 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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8 posted on 08/10/2013 6:16:28 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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http://www.college.columbia.edu/core/sites/core/files/pages/Paul%20Fussel-Thank%20God%20for%20the%20Atom%20Bomb-August%201981.pdf

I mean, after all, it was only other people who were going to die, very few of them were even Ivy Leaguers.


9 posted on 08/10/2013 6:19:20 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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Some of my earliest memories are hearing talk about the war, I was born in 1940. No one has ever been able to answer this question for me, why did the Japanese attack us?


11 posted on 08/10/2013 6:19:46 AM PDT by Ditter
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With a principle as strong as “don’t murder kids” I think you’d need a lot more certainty than Truman could have had.

Every time a 21 year old gang banger gets shot, it is counted by the mass media as an instance of a "youthful victim of 'gun violence.'"

So by the mass media's standards, we saved a million "kids" by dropping the bomb.

End of discussion.

12 posted on 08/10/2013 6:21:40 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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you play, you pay... Japan cowardly bombed Pearl Harbor... why should the US be concerned at all with Japan’s saving face in eventual defeat?


13 posted on 08/10/2013 6:21:48 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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History revisionism...The hallmark of a mindless progressive


14 posted on 08/10/2013 6:22:22 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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I think you are rewriting history in the tradition of hate America first. The times were different and the methods were different. Was it right for the Japanese to kill so may civilians in Pearl Harbor? Was it right for Hitler to send rockets into England? The Japanese were known for fighting to the last man and not surrendering. Don’t rewrite history and expect me to believe you. Don’t rewrite the American Revolution and expect me to believe that either.


15 posted on 08/10/2013 6:22:42 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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In times of extreme duress, men of conscience will do exactly what they need to do.

Totalitarian socialists have nightmares over this fact.

As they should.

16 posted on 08/10/2013 6:22:54 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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The facts are undeniable Japan had not surrendered before the Bombs were dropped.

After the second bomb was dropped there was a failed coup d'état by factions in the Military who STILL DID NOT WANT TO SURRENDER.

This is not speculation this is fact backed up by direct testimony of those involved in the coup as well as documentation from that era.

7 days later Emperor Hirohito announced the surrender of Japan in a radio address to the nation of Japan.

Anyone who sez that Japan was about to surrender is full of sh!t!

17 posted on 08/10/2013 6:22:59 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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What if Longstreet had managed to launch a morning attack on the second day instead of late in the afternoon on the Federal left wing at Gettysburg?

What if Hitler had not delayed Barbarossa to assist in the Balkans?

What if the Japanese had launched a second attack at Pearl Harbor and destroyed the fuel supplies?

What if, what if, what if. Despite the misgivings of Eisenhower and others Truman obviously had advice from many that it was necessary to use the bomb to force Japan into a quick surrender. As for killing innocents, the fire bombings in Japan and Germany had been doing that already for some time.

Armchair Generals armed with 20/20 hindsight are a dime a dozen.


19 posted on 08/10/2013 6:23:51 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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I’ll go with the opinions of the Americans who were lined up to take part in the invasion of Japan. I never knew of one who didn’t believe that the dropping of the bombs probably saved their lives.


20 posted on 08/10/2013 6:25:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Equal Protection for the individual's unalienable right to life is not optional. It is imperative.)
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BULLBLEEP!

Next topic

23 posted on 08/10/2013 6:26:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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I knew the typical WW2 Monday morning QBs would come out with this anniversary. Let’s put it this way, the nation that attacked the United States was defeated and those bombs ended the war.
Millions of Americans (and Japs) alive today would not have either survived or been born if their fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers had died in an invasion of Japan.


25 posted on 08/10/2013 6:29:45 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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The bombs were dropped to prevent the deaths of thousands of US citizens. Japan should have thought of it before they bombed Pearl Harbor.


26 posted on 08/10/2013 6:30:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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‘It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing’ --- Why dropping the A-Bombs was wrong

The ONLY thing wrong about a nuke is that we haven't used them more often.

28 posted on 08/10/2013 6:31:45 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who in DC is looking out for The Constitution, Bill of Rights, much less ME?)
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