Posted on 08/04/2013 8:25:08 PM PDT by FlJoePa
Actually Sandusky 'retired' in 1999, two years before the 'shower room' incident in question.
To be clear, he retired in 1998 accepting a sweetheart deal the state was offering at the time. He was then hired back in 1999 for one year, as an independent contractor to run the defense.
I do, however defend Joe Paterno and the manner with which he handled the situation he was handed by Mike McQueary the next day.
...if you want somebody to say that Joe was betrayed by Jerry, I will say so...quite obviously...trouble is, your knight in shining armor (Ziegler) backed himself into a pro Sandusky corner to make his point...and lost any credibility, which a million pages of speculation isn’t going to restore...
...IIRC, you once challenged me regarding Notre Dame football, because you assumed due to my ID I was an Irish fan (wrong), on the death of an assistant due to foul weather, as if that were a corollary to the PSU mess...exceedingly immature on your part, and pretty much told me all I needed to know about the quality of your postings...which your current obnoxious posture has only reinforced...
...I have a certain sympathy for your position, however, and I have changed my opinion of Joe over the past months...I’ve come to believe he didn’t have all the power and influence we once thought he had at PSU, and I’m not certain what freedom of action he had to buck the party line...I do believe, however, he knew exactly what the rest of the administrators knew, when they knew it; to wit, 1999 when their d-coordinator was being investigated...I still fail to see how anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty believes he didn’t know about that...
...is Paterno an evil man for all of this? Of course not...I don’t think he had an evil bone in his body...he was plenty cantankerous, and maybe not the warm fuzzy figure he portrayed himself as, but evil, as some on this forum are saying? Not a chance...
...flawed? Absolutely. Wrong? Who’s to say, he’s dead, I say let him be...
JS wasn’t employed by PSU in 2001. How many times does one need to point this out to people (to no avail), until one deems the recipient of the facts brain dead?
Are you brain dead?
...truly, sir, only a brain dead individual would believe Joe didn’t at least suspect Jerry in 1999, when he was being investigated...your fanatic bellicosity on this matter is actually quite amusing...
From what I understand he retired at the end of the 1998 season, which extended into the calendar year 1999 because Penn State had a bowl game that year. I'm not aware of any 'contracting' agreement for 1999.
And he was under investigation for sexual abuse by the Penn State police and the local DA in 1998 after a complaint from a parent. Apparently the investigation did not bring any thing they could prosecute.
When Sandusky announced his 'retirement' he was only 54 years old. Kind of young for a football coach who was making a couple of hundred grand a year and agreed to a less then 200k severance package. I'm guessing that they just decided they didn't want the guy associated with the team any longer. It is no secret that Paterno and he never got along very well.
Do you have a citation for this "know"? How do you know he meant avoiding a lawsuit because a kid dropped a barbell on his toe and didn't mean avoiding yet another in a series of pedarest rapes in the facility? Seems that little margin note could go either way. If Joe was a saint, it goes one way. If Joe knew or suspected Sandusky, it goes the other way just as easily.
Blame the dead guy. That is all you have.
That was freeh’s interpretation. Look it up in the freeh report.
He was indeed contracted for that season. This is common knowledge and it's also spelled out in the factfreeh report.
Tom Bradley took over the defense in 2000. Not before, not after.
He WAS investigated, then cleared by the state police in 1998, but Joe Paterno had no knowledge of that.
Schultz had knowledge of it because the incident occurred on campus. Curley no, Spanier no, Paterno no. For Shultz to inform any of them of the investigation, he would have violated state law.
If you really care about this case/scandal, and want to help at risk children in PA, I suggest you visit Ray Blehar's site. He's a lifelong federal investigator. Very bright guy. Very, very bright guy.
....so, the contention is that well, Sandusky MAY have been guilty, but the old guy can’t be expected to know what is going on in his own organization? Do I read that right?
There was a time, when I was a child, that I believed No Possible Way Nixon was involved in the break in. This was because I thought the world of the man. (I still do, in many ways. He did some great things.) However, one day, under a clear avalanche of evidence, and the fact that his own party’s Senators walked down to convince him he had damaged the country enough, I had to grow up and admit...the great man had done a lot of illegal things. He was guilty. Guilty beyond all doubt. On that day, I grew up. Because worshiping a human being leads you to have crappy vision.
JS retired after the 1999 season. The Mike McQueary incident occurred in 2001. JS no longer worked for PSU or reported to Joe Paterno.
Is there some weird dimension/time thing that makes this hard to comprehend for what I thought was an intelligent audience?
Really?
Good grief you all are so demented. There's enough blame to go around, lots of it, including some kind of culpability for JoePa. For you to claim he's totally above board and entirely innocent because he's dead is stupid beyond belief. Fwiw, it's not because he's dead, it's because of what he didn't do when he was alive. The head coach knew nothing you say? One of the most powerful, totally in control of his program ever coaches knew nothing......
Riii-iiight. Got it. He was too busy to know anything.
Too bad about those kids though. After all, there was a program to build and a record to beat......
No one’s worshiping anyone. Get off that. We just want the freaking truth. Kids in PA are still at risk to this day due to the cover-up involving the Attorney General’s office, the second mile, the state police, the DPW, and locally the CYS.
Stop reading headlines and start reading facts. Sheesh.
Did it ever occur to you to direct your ire at the second mile, not the PSU Football Program? Or wouldn’t that satisfy some need you apparently have?
Get a freaking clue.
By "organization" are you referring to The Second Mile charity and the "old guy" being Dr Raykovitz????
Nope. Not even once have some of the dumbass PSU fans even considered it. After all, he was such a winning coach with a record to break, why bother?
Like I told the other guy, y'all are a waste of bandwidth. Good night.
The freeh report is toilet paper. Like Pesci said at the end of My Cousin Vinnie - “Come on. You can say. It’s OK, they know.”
Why someone who lived an exemplary life and was actually praised by the OAG in 11-11 has to prove his innocence to the likes of you, is beyond me.
You don’t want the truth. You don’t want to protect kids in PA. You just want to (for some reason) piss on Joe’s grave. GFY is about all I can say to you.
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