can we please stop eating our own?.....
This is the Religion Forum, hence the religious discussion.
Really, conservative...apparently you have not been paying attention.
When being conservative becomes more important than spiritual matters, then we'll consider it. And that will never happen.
And we're not trying to destroy Mormons, we're trying to win them for Christ. Not the man promoted to Godhood, Christ of Mormonism, but the Christ of the Old and New Testament, the Eternal God incarnate of Scripture.
Bishop Romney who as a Priest and missionary would have been teaching this racism and who was in his 30s (Star Wars and Animal House were hits at the time) when his God told his Prophet that he had changed his mind, just won your vote for president, just a few months ago, as he was campaigning against the GOP’s pro-life platform, and as a proponent of homosexualizing the Boy Scout leaders and the military.
By the way, Mormons aren’t particularly patriotic, at least judging by military service and I guess you know that no man in Romney’s 170 year line, has ever served us in uniform, he himself was a draft evader and his five sons all rejected military service, no draft or war has ever gotten one of his, not in their entire 170 year history here.
Please review the chart in post #17 -- the statements of official Mormon "scripture" re: the worldwide church of Jesus Christ (Protestant/Orthodox/Catholic).
Did not Joseph Smith -- and his "disciples" ever since -- seek to swallow Christianity in one fell swoop by declaring it "apostate" en toto?
How did the Mormon "restoration" come to be so closely linked with so-called complete Christian apostasy?
(1) No "restoration" can occur minus the complete loss of the original church. (The Mormon founder needed to take a scorched-earth approach to Christians, otherwise he -- and his restoration -- was 100% superflous. Either he was unnecessary, or the Christian church was...so Smith chose the Christian church to be! He essentially tossed all Christians into one gigantic graveyard, and tried to erect a new religion on top of it.
(2) Let's face it, if Smith's "diagnosis" of Christians was wrong, that all did NOT commit apostasy, then no need existed for him or his restoration-from-scratch.
You are seemingly ignorant that any "let's get along" public relations by Mormon leaders masks what their true beliefs at their core actually are.
Interesting phrase: "Our own"...
Question: Do Mormon leaders regard Protestant, Catholic & Orthodox Christians as "their own"???
Answer? (Not on your life)
Joseph Smith's 'Graveyard' Narrative About the Historic Christian Church
The LDS church long ago dug a gigantic graveyard for Christianity and told us, "Jump in!"
(Hey, Jim Jones used "koolaid" for over 700 bodies...Joseph Smith tried a "vision" for billions of Christians who have lived since the 2nd century)
How many of you all have played the game Jenga @ Christmas? (You have to remove a block without the whole structure crashing)
Well, in Mormonism, if you remove the 100% apostasy of the Christian church for say, 17 centuries, then guess what? There's absolutely no need for a restoration! (The very existence as a "restoration" church would be 100% pointless).
That's why Mormons are 100% invested in the 100% downfall of the historic Christian church!
* Their very purpose for existence is built upon the foundation that Christendom went 100% AWOL.
* Their very door-to-door & written-word foundation is erected upon convincing the world that we're all apostates.
So how is that anything different than Muslims accusing Christians of being "infidels?"
Maybe, just maybe if Mormons could cite any Biblical verse which talks about a total apostasy…they could let the authority ride upon that verse and let that verse speak for itself & that would be that. But, no…LDS leaders have to try, by hook and by crook, to piece together a tangled web to try to reach a conclusion the Bible itself never reaches.
Even Jesus -- in describing the worst of the end-times -- left the door 'open' on this question by leaving it in question form: "However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”" (Luke 18:8)
LDS, on the other hand, introduced its grand straw man.
When it comes to describing "apostasy," Mormons seem to have HUGE problems delineating between the qualifiers of...
...“Partial” and “complete”—
...Between “localized” and “universal.”
(What? When your Mom told you that you could have a “piece” of pie, you ate the whole thing because you thought "piece" = devouring its entirety?)
Why do LDS have to conclude that apostasy is ALWAYS an all-or-nothing interpretation?
Well, again, see above: LDS, knowing their weakest foundation is to build a grave for all of Christianity and then have the utter gall to try to build its church on a tombstone it’s created for us is the ultimate “Scripture snipping” job I’ve ever seen.
But “we” understand. Hey, as the LDS leader overwhelmingly elected by Utah Mormon voters but who got booted from Congress before serving (Brigham Roberts) said: "Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Introduction to the History of the Church 1:XL).
So...we all see the sheer desperation of the Mormon church:
No total apostasy, no need for a “restoration.”
No graveyard of Christianity, no “restoration.”
Hence, note the grand “straw men” of Lds "apostle" James Talmage:
2. Evidence that the apostasy occurred as had been predicted is found in the sacred scriptures and in the records of history other than scriptural. From certain utterances of the early-day apostles it is made plain to us that the great "falling away" had begun even while those apostles were living.
(Oh, yeah, we “get it.” LDS believe & teach the following judgmentalism upon all souls living in the following centuries:)
4th century: No REAL Christians in an authorityless Christian church
5th century: No REAL Christians in an authorityless Christian Church
6th century: No REAL Christians in the authorityless Christian Church
7th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
8th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
9th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
10th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
11th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
12th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
13th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
14th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
15th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
16th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
17th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church
18th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church (including the founding fathers of our country, I might add)
19th century: No REAL Christians in the Christian Church--at least, not until 14 year old glass looker, treasure-seeker Joe Smith came along.
Ouch!
FAGS support our stuff 95% as well; but I sure as hell ain't gonna stop stating that HOMOSEXUALITY is a sin against GOD!