Posted on 06/08/2013 9:00:01 PM PDT by Colofornian
The Catholic Church is not a denomination. By definition, if it were it would not be Catholic. It is THE One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church. Only schismatic and heretical groups are denominations.
Peace be with you
Wait a minute.
The Lds will be sending out 60,000-70,000 missionaries 2x2 coming up (over 50,000 right now, but since they lowered the age requirement, thousands MORE have signed up)... By YOUR assessment, you should have gotten on FR LONG AGO & talked about the "Mormon obsession" to ride bikes while well dressed as they ring doorbells!
But hmmm...silence from your corner is probably a more accurate portrait, right?
If you don’t like that church, you are perfectly free to go to another church you do like.
Where's your elite lecture for Lds Missionaries here? (Why don't you simply tell them, "If you don't like it that non-Mormons are attending non-Mormon churches, you are perfectly free to stay home vs. ringing the doorbells of Christian homes.")
No, the catholics belong to a Christian denomination, but interesting post on a Mormon thread, I think the Mormon Prophet believes that they are the only thing going and teaches that to his followers.
Jenny, only a fool thinks a bomb goin' off here on earth is the three-alarm, city-wide meltdown that hell represents.
Aren't Christians to take our cultural cue from a certain "Lord" named Jesus Christ? Who are we to follow when it comes to setting cultural priorities? Jesus and the apostle Paul? or JennysCool?
Here's Jesus:
"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." (Luke 12:4-5)
So does Jesus say, "fear the bombers" (No)
So, indeed, our "fear" is on behalf of those who are placing their eternal spiritual lives at risk.
ALL: Don't let this kind of assumption fool you.
And all of these Catholic-based "religious orders" from the chart below (& many other dozens/hundreds NOT included) exploded from how many originally?
And all these Catholic-based orders assume that their rule--their order-- is the right one...because obviously...if a previous order had it all correctly, then they were a needless overlap overkill...superfluous
Hence, haven't all these Catholic-based religious splinter orders operated as a sort of “mini-denominations” operating under the broader umbrella of Roman Catholicism?
Sorry...but Catholicism isn't as "united" as Catholics LOVE to pretend...It's not -- as is oft' presented by Catholics -- one giant monolith.
Even theologically, it's not monolithic. Liberation theology has invaded Catholicism. Solid theological reform movements – like Jansenism – hit Catholicism in the 1600s.
Some of the Roman Catholic order jumpstarters themselves bounced around before getting them off the ground. Take Isaac Thomas Hecker, founder of the Paulists (latter 19th century). Hecker was a Methodist-turned-transcendentalist-turned-member of the Catholic Redemptorist order before founding the Paulists. Hardly a “model heritage” deeply rooted Catholic.
And the “Romanizing party” was itself a party that grew stronger in the 7th century. As I look at the book of Acts, I don't see mention of “the Romanizing party” in the earliest church. Do you?
Instead of all these diverse Catholic orders, why couldn't have one said, “This is the rule of Christ. We'll follow it – and Him” ??? And then the rest of these man-made orders could have followed suit if generational stability and a unified front is so important.
| Year Founded | Name of Order [a 'Mini-Denomination' of Sorts] | Man-Made Founder | |
| 6th century onward | Benedictine-Based [Break-offs Included] | ||
| 525 | Benectines | Benedict | |
| Early 6th century | Female Benectines | Scholastica | |
| Early 10th century | Cluny [many Southern France orders were reformed under 'Clunaic lines] | Odo | |
| 11th century | Vallumbrosians | John Gualbert | |
| 1100 A.D. | Fontrevault | Robert of Arbissel | |
| 1701 | Mechlarists | Mechitar [w/16 others] | |
| Dominican/Augustinian Rule-based | Note: The Dominican order was NOT initial order based on Augustinian rule; hence not listed first | ||
| 1120 | Premonstratensions [also known as Norbertians] | Norbert [German-born who set up French orders and died residing in Italy]...so hardly a Middle-Ages localized presence only | |
| Late 12th century | Trinitarians [reformed group called 'Barefoot Trinitarians' still exists] | John of Matha | |
| 1206 | Dominicans | Dominic | |
| 1210 | Franciscan-Based | Francis of Assisi | |
| Franciscans also known as Friars Minor; Some Lay Franciscans known as Franciscan tertiaries; some Franciscans came to be known as 'Observatist Franciscans' others as 'Recollect Franciscans' and then 'Discalced Franciscans'...Such 'unity' of names even within the Franciscan bunch, eh? | |||
| 1557 | Alcantarines [Spanish Discalced Franciscans] | Peter of Alcantara | |
| Late 16th century | Camillans | Camillus [break-off of first Capuchins and then recollect Franciscans] | |
| 1540 | Jesuit-Based | ||
| 1540 | Jesuits originally known as The Society of Jesus | Ignatius Loyola | |
| Cistercian-Based | |||
| About 1099 | Cistercian | Robert of Molesne [with Stephen Harding as key early leader] | |
| 1084 | Carthusians | Bruno | |
| 1128 | Knights of Templar | Bernard of Clairvaux | |
| Mid-12th century | Gilbertines [no local presence only; a network of 25 monasteries] | Gilbert of Sempringham | |
| Latter-17th century | Trappists | Armand-Jean le Bouthillier De Rance' | |
| Ursulines/Carmelites-Based | |||
| Early 1500s | Ursulines | Angela Merici [Later, Barbe Jeanne Acarie helped establish Ursulines] | |
| Latter 16th century | Discalced Carmelites | John of the Cross a leader, but not founder | |
| 1603 | Carmelites | Barbe Jeanne Acarie | |
| Other Orders – Listed chronologically | |||
| 961 | Mt Athos | Athanasius the Athonite | |
| Early 1000s | Camaldolesians | Romauld | |
| 1113 | Victorines | William of Champeaux | |
| Early 1200s | Poor Clares | Clare | |
| 1235 | Mercedarines [Our Lady of Mercy] | Peter Nolasco and Raymond of Penafort | |
| Latter 13th century | Celestines | Celestine | |
| 1346 | Bridgetines | Bridget | |
| 1360 | Gesuati | John Colombini | |
| 14th century | Sisters of the Visitation [the Jesuatesses] | Catherine, cousin of John Colombini | |
| Latter 14th century | Brethren of the Common Life | Geert de Groote and Florentius Radewijns | |
| 1425 | Oblates of Mary [Later called Oblates of Torde' Specchi] | Frances of Rome | |
| 1436 | Minims [Ordo Fratres Minimorum] | Francis of Paola | |
| 1524 | Theatines [break-off of Orators of Divine Love] | Cajetan and Giovanni Pietro Caraffa (Pope Paul IV) | |
| 1532 | The Somaschi | Emiliani Jerome | |
| 1548 | Confraternity of the Most Holy Trinity | Philip Neri | |
| 1572 | The Brothers Hospitalliers | John of God | |
| Cistercian-Based | |||
| 1575 | Oratorians | Philip Neri | |
| 16th century | Volokolamsk | Joseph of Volokolamsk | |
| 1597 | Piarists | Joseph Calasanctius | |
| Early 1600s | Jansenism [not an “order” but a theological reform movement] | Cornelius Otto Jansen | |
| Very early 17th century | Visitation | Francis of Sales and Frances de Chantel | |
| 1633 | Sisters of Charity, Lazarites | Vincent de Paul | |
| 1737 | Vincent de Paul Society | Frederick Ozanam | |
| 1737 | Passionists | Paul of the Cross | |
| 1835 | Pious Society of Missions/Pallottini Fathers | Vincent Pallotti | |
| 1843 | Similar Pious Society of Missions for women | Vincent Pallotti | |
| Mid-19th century | Sisters of Providence/Fathers of Charity | Antonio Rosmini-Serbati | |
| 1859 | Salesians [Female version: Daughters of Our Lady Help of Christians, 3rd largest Catholic order today] | Giovanni Melchior Bosco | |
| 1880 | Sisters of the Sacred Heart | Frances Cabrini | |
| Latter 19th century | Paulists [break-off of Redemptorists] | Isaac Thomas Hecker | |
| 1903 | Catholic Daughters of the Americas | ||
| 1917 | Baptized and Unbaptized Disciples | Narayan Vaman Tilak | |
| 1933 | Little Brothers of Jesus/Little Sisters of the Sacred Heart | Formed post-humously after the rule of Charles Eugene DeFoucald | |
| 1939 | Sisters of Jesus | Formed post-humously after the rule of Charles Eugene DeFoucald | |
| 1958 | Little Brothers of the Gospel | Formed post-humously after the rule of Charles Eugene DeFoucald | |
| 1965 | Little Sisters of the Gospel | Formed post-humously after the rule of Charles Eugene DeFoucald |
My FRiend,
This is not a matter of either or. My church or your church can have opinions about who is in full communion, and I fully accept that those decisions may color your view.
My church, the Catholic Church, seeks always to see the humanity of persons as God sees them, as his children. Must children be corrected or admonished? Certainly.
I go to sacramental confession every month because, objectively, I know that I sin. That may be quaint or absurd to you, but I will continue to do so.
It is a recognition of my fallen humanity and the path I am on to try to become the person Christ wishes me to be. He wishes me to be a saint, not as we perceive sainthood, but as He does.
You may snipe at those who are not of your faith community, but you imperil yourself if you do not recognize the humanity and real aspirations of others to wish to truly come closer to God.
In all sincerity, I wish God to bless you with an abundance of His graces.
Sursum Corda
We have WAYYY more important things to worry about in this crazy world than Mormons. Geez. Find a hobby.
Please review the chart in post #17 -- the statements of official Mormon "scripture" re: the worldwide church of Jesus Christ (Protestant/Orthodox/Catholic).
Did not Joseph Smith -- and his "disciples" ever since -- seek to swallow Christianity in one fell swoop by declaring it "apostate" en toto?
How did the Mormon "restoration" come to be so closely linked with so-called complete Christian apostasy?
(1) No "restoration" can occur minus the complete loss of the original church. (The Mormon founder needed to take a scorched-earth approach to Christians, otherwise he -- and his restoration -- was 100% superflous. Either he was unnecessary, or the Christian church was...so Smith chose the Christian church to be! He essentially tossed all Christians into one gigantic graveyard, and tried to erect a new religion on top of it.
(2) Let's face it, if Smith's "diagnosis" of Christians was wrong, that all did NOT commit apostasy, then no need existed for him or his restoration-from-scratch.
You are seemingly ignorant that any "let's get along" public relations by Mormon leaders masks what their true beliefs at their core actually are.
“You may snipe at those who are not of your faith community, but you imperil yourself if you do not recognize the humanity and real aspirations of others to wish to truly come closer to God.”
You’re connecting exposing a dangerous religious cult with, somehow, attacking someone’s humanity. If Joseph Smith was a con-man with 30 something wives, 12 of whom were still married to other men, and some as young as 14 years old, am I attacking the humanity of the person who doesn’t know this factoid about someone they entrust their immortal soul to? I’d rather think of it as a nice warning.
Your entire post is utterly false since it is based on false assumptions that do nothing except further the goals of an anti-Christian religious group.
“We have WAYYY more important things to worry about in this crazy world than Mormons. Geez. Find a hobby.”
So instead of attacking Christians who do take the teachings of Christ seriously, how about you go do those more important things? Or, at least get the hobby?
#1...Multi-tasking is allowed in this life...For example, we can take on liberals, Islam and Mormonism -- all at the same time...(that's allowed)
#2...I'm glad the "silent generation" who came before us -- the ones who fought on multiple fronts vs. multiple enemies during WWII -- had the fortitude you seemingly lack.
Our current ADHD culture has trouble taking on more than one thing at a time.
I don’t see my role as a Christian to get on forums to defend the Mormon religion, a religion built on converting Christians away from Christ, converting them into polytheists, and into believing that they can become Gods themselves, and finding pretty good success with Catholics by the way.
So snipe at me if you must, but I disagree with what you do for Mormonism.
I’ll go back to my original post. Why are people so OBSESSED about Mormonism, in a way they’re not obsessed over, say, Lutherens or 7-Day Adventists or snake handlers, for goodness sake. I really just don’t get it. It’s like a cult.
Take a deep breath.
Now, look at the totality of what Christ preached on this earth, rather than seeking to use partial pull quotes to support your perspective.
You have family issues, as you said. They can be among the most painful and discouraging things we may encounter. They can gnaw at us, give us no quarter. At the end of the day, we must balance the intellectual (wisdom), compassionate (charity} and the spiritual (faith).
God bless you on your spiritual journey, may you find and accept His truth in all things.
Sursum Corda
I'll bet you have dieting for a chance to repost that. Too bad it is rubbish. All Catholics are in complete agreement with the dogmas of the Church, that is what makes us Catholic.
Peace be with you
Should have said “dying”. Darned auto-correct on my iPad.
You simply have an epic failure of not understanding that approaches differ depending upon who you're talking to...
When Jesus was talking to sinners not caught up in their pride, he comforted them -- even when telling them (like the woman @ the well), to "go and sin no more."
When Jesus (& Paul) were talking to the religionists hung up on their legalism, he did the opposite: He afflicted the comfortable.
I don’t think I have ever seen a posting or a thread by this freeper that was on any other subject at all, I think anti-Mormonism is about it.
It seems like a creepy obsession. It was like that other freeper that only talked about pit bull attacks and another one who was fixated on trains.
Well, I guess it takes all types.
Sadly, I must conclude that you are so set in your ways, which you seek to cloak in orthodox, pristine Christianity, that you are no longer open to real discussion.
Free Republic, as my years here have shown me, is a wonderful venue for real discussion. Not all threads are golden.
I will take my part in the blame for failure of this thread.
May God bless you abundantly for your virtues.
Sursum Corda
LOL, you seem pretty obsessed for someone with no interest in Christianity and Mormonism’s war against it, you have a pretty long history of intense and persistent ‘non-interest’ in Mormonism, and it looks like you are pretty dedicated to showing how ‘uninterested’ you are on this thread as well.
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