'Aliens' Messed With US, Soviet Nukes - US Airmen

RIA Novosti ^ | May 1, 2013

[Fennie]

WASHINGTON - In the midst of the Cold War on several occasions, nuclear missiles at US Air Force bases were mysteriously shut down, according to US servicemen who said they witnessed the failure of the heavily guarded missile systems.

But they don't blame America's Cold War enemy, the Soviet Union; they say aliens from space did it.

"This was something Russia could have developed, but it turns out they didn't develop this and we don't have it either - to be able to shut down nuclear weapons with a beam of light," David Scott, a former sergeant in the US Air Force, told RIA Novosti at a conference in Washington on encounters with extraterrestrials.

[xzins]

A fly in your car is going 5 mph. That is his speed from his perspective as the observer. But your car in speeding down the road at 65 mph. So for the guy watching you from the roadside table, that fly is going 70 mph. But the road you have taken is on the equator and the circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles and the earth rotates once every 24 hours. So that fly is now going 1,100 mph + 70 mph = 1,170 mph.

Something I've meant to ask each time this discussion comes up: If the car if going due west at 65 and the fly is going the opposite at 5, then from the observer's viewpoint, is the fly going 60 mph?

The same with the earth. If the earth's rotational direction is east, and the fly and car are both going west, is the speed from the observer's position 1100-70mph, 1030 mph.

And is a runner's speed faster or jump longer if running/jumping from the west to the east?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for your piercing questions, dear brother in Christ!

The flight path of the fly is moot in the example - i.e. whether he is flying in a straight line in the car, circling your head or zig-zagging. In the example, it's simply the distance being covered over a certain amount of time and to the observer watching him from a roadside table, the total distance and total time, i.e. cumulative.

Likewise, since the fly-watching observer in the example is under the same gravitational pull of the earth, the distance shortened by the West-East rotation of the earth is moot. The observer is being taken on the earth's surface in the same direction and speed as the fly and the car.

At higher elevations, even while orbiting within the gravitational well of the earth, the differences would be more measurable. Likewise, the reduction of distance traveled by a man jumping West (or added by jumping East) would be moot though the affect would be measurable at higher elevations, i.e. away from the gravitational well.

This has been tested also concerning time. The lower the gravity, the faster time elapses. Conversely, the higher the gravity, the slower time elapses. So if you were in the vicinity of a black hole for a week, for instance, 40 years may have elapsed on earth.

Interestingly flights going East-West take longer than flights going West-East not in contradiction of these factors but because of the West-East direction of the jet streams (tail winds.)

The example I used presumes that, except for the fly-watching observer, mph observations are absolute, i.e. not relative to an observer "in" space/time.

For instance, if the observer were "in" the space/time fabric between the Milky Way galaxy and Andromeda - the 486,000 miles our solar system travels in an hour would be so small by comparison to the size of the Milky Way, that the whole Milky Way galaxy might appear to him as if it were moving in "slow motion."

Inhabitants of space/time all suffer from the "observer problem."

Only God the Creator can objectively perceive His creation. He and He alone sees "all that there is" all at once. Every where. Every when. And He alone knows the full number and types of dimensions (space, time, etc.)

That He cares to observe thrills me. For without that will, there would be no justice, no objective Truth - it would all be observer relative.

And that He numbers every hair on our heads - despite what we mortals can perceive about of the cosmos or the quantum - comforts me.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. - Matthew 10:30

What may seem large to us, may be small to God. Or small, large - distant, close, etc.

God's Name is I AM.

[TXnMA]

Greetings, Dear Sister in Christ!

I've been (mentally) far away from FR, spending my efforts where they can actually make a difference and where the needs are great. So -- I've just temporarily wandered (Thanks for the invitation!) into this discussion and would like to share some of my views on things extraterrestrial.

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Considering that -- everywhere we look beyond our own (incomprenhensibly huge) galaxy -- we see views like this:

I find it to be astoundingly arrogant for any of us on this third-rate ball of mud to insist (or even harbor the [unfounded] belief) that our Lord and Creator was so profligate and wasteful as to leave the entire rest of His unimaginably vast Creation unpopulated. I certainly find no Scriptural basis for such a belief.

(BTW, that photo does not contain a single star (sun). Every object visible there is a huge galaxy (like the one in the center) made of billions of "suns"!)

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I have encountered folks (even here on FR) who express a vague feeling that photos like the one above above are, somehow, "approaching blasphemy" -- because such objects are not mentioned in Scripture.

But...

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Nowhere in Scripture do I find the word, "galaxy". How many galaxies could the recorders of God's revealed Word (who lived in the northern hemisphere) see? (*See "NOTE", below.*)

More importantly, did the language in which they recorded God's Word even have a term for "galaxy"? I haven't found any evidence of such a term...

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Obviously, our physical bodies and brains were wonderfully optimized for survival on and dominion over this particular planet. (Not "perfected": I just had to scrub my leg with strong surfactant because I brushed up against poison ivy...) '-)

But, many here would agree with my belief that is is my spirit (and not my physical body) that was "made in the image of God" [Who is 'Spirit'].

So, when my soul (spirit) makes that final "rotation onto the imaginary axis" {Inside joke} and crosses the boundary into the Heavenly realm, I am prepared to stand there, in my "heavenly body", arm in arm and singing praises to our Lord in sweet harmony with other creatures "made in the image of God", whose lives in this universe were spent in physical bodies that were optimized for life in conditions that would destroy us "carbon-based earthforms" instantly.

"ETs"? I will not dishonor our Creator by insisting that they were/are not in His grand plan and design. However, I'll keep a sharper watch out for rattlesnakes than for "visitors from outer space". The universe is just. too. big...

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*[NOTE:]* The recorders of Scripture could, of course, see that great "milky river of stars" that is our own Galaxy -- viewed from the inside-out. And, they certainly could see with their unaided eyes a faint, blurry spot in the constellation of Andromeda (what we call "M31").

THAT's IT!

But... until we developed mechanical extensions of our senses (telescopes) -- or wandered into the southern hemispher to see the "Magellanic clouds) there was no concept that other galaxies existed (or that a name for them was even needed).

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The above photo is "not Scriptural"? Big surprise...

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for your testimony and insights, dear brother in Christ!

[TXnMA]

I'd say "yes" to most of your questions. Ask NASA if they launch eastward or westward -- and if the angular velocity at the Cape is added to the orbital velocity of their satellites...

(Then, you might ask the guys at Vandenberg...) '-)

[TXnMA]

"And is a runner's speed faster or jump longer if running/jumping from the west to the east? "

Since the jumper's run and flight are relative to fixed points on the rotating surface of the earth, the differences cancel out. Neither direction gives a jumping advantage.

An observer at a remote point that is stationary with respect to a line through the earth's center would see the EASTWARD-running jumper's running speed as INCREASED by the rotation of the earth. BUT -- while he is in flight, his landing point rotates AWAY FROM him by a compensating distance... (He is "chasing a moving target...")

The opposite is true for a westward-running jumper. With no wind, equal effort produces equal jumps.

Once contact is broken, (most of) angular velocity is converted into linear velocity. That's what killed Goliath... '-)

[TXnMA]

Do I sense the faint praise of disagreement, there, Dear sister? ‘-)

[Alamo-Girl]

Oh no, I very strongly agree and praise your testimony and insights, dear brother in Christ!

But you are so thorough, you leave me nothing to add. LOLOL!

[JerseyDvl]

Bfl

[MHGinTN]

Placemarker

[MHGinTN]

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[betty boop]

That He cares to observe thrills me. For without that will, there would be no justice, no objective Truth - it would all be observer relative.

What a SPLENDID observation/insight, dearest sister in Christ!!!

And Heaven Forfend! that "truth" is something that can be discerned by a public opinion poll (for example) and not as something written into the very Foundation of the World, not to mention into each and every human soul. ...

Definitely I believe the following, as you wrote:

Only God the Creator can objectively perceive His creation. He and He alone sees "all that there is" all at once. Every where. Every when. And He alone knows the full number and types of dimensions (space, time, etc.)

Not to mention the very number of "hairs on our head." Even those of us who still have hair on our heads cannot "number" them at all....

There is comfort in God's indefeasible Truth (LOGOS). It is the very origin and foundation of everything that naturally exists in our World; it is the source of both Natural and Moral law, which in mutual interdependence pervade the Universe, including the universe of men's minds. It is the source and paradigmatic order of Life and the everlasting Sustainer and Savior of Life — of human life in particular, and not by accident.

Thank you so very much, dearest sister Alamo-Girl! I find your postings on the math and science aspects of "problems" enormously illuminating!

You are so faithful in giving an accurate description of what you, an observer strong in the maths and sciences, have "observed."

What your observation points to is the everlasting mutual interdependence of Faith and Reason.

Yet most people nowadays (I gather) cannot even begin to imagine the problem you describe, let alone deal with a "description" of it. You "see" through your Christian eyes (and ears). They seemingly do not have a clue about what you are saying. At least, nobody comments on it, or asks further questions.

Too bad.

Thank you ever so much, dearest sister, for your outstanding essay/post!

[TXnMA]

Thank you for your beautiful and thought-provoking essay-posts, dear Sisters in Christ!

bb, I thought I'd maybe get a twitch out of you when I admitted I was looking forward to singing harmony with the ETs in Heaven... <GRIN...>

And no comment on the "imaginary axis" "easter egg" I tucked in there just for you...

I must have lost my touch while I was "away"... LOL!!

Blessings and love in Christ...

TXnMA

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for your encouragements, dearest sister in Christ!

There is comfort in God's indefeasible Truth (LOGOS). It is the very origin and foundation of everything that naturally exists in our World; it is the source of both Natural and Moral law, which in mutual interdependence pervade the Universe, including the universe of men's minds. It is the source and paradigmatic order of Life and the everlasting Sustainer and Savior of Life — of human life in particular, and not by accident.

Amen!!!

A person who does not have a glimmer of this insight must surely lead a dismal existence. What hope could he have?

Truly, Faith and Reason are not mutually exclusive but rather intensify each another in our walk with the Lord.

God the Father has revealed Himself in four ways: through the Person of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ - through the Person of the indwelling Holy Spirit - through Scripture - and through His Creation, both physical and non-physical.

All of His revelations are consistent.

God's Name is I AM.

[Alamo-Girl]

LOLOL!

I've never been able to carry a tune in the flesh - very poor hearing - but hopefully, in the next life I'll be in that choir with you and whatever other beings God has gathered up.

But He may have some other function in mind. We'll see.

[MHGinTN]

Placemarker

[betty boop]

And no comment on the "imaginary axis" "easter egg" I tucked in there just for you.... I must have lost my touch while I was "away"... LOL!!

LOLOL dear brother!

Nope, you haven't lost your touch at all. It's just I've been "away" recently, too, and am 'way behind in my correspondence....

I'll go looking for all your surprises soon!

[betty boop]

So, when my soul (spirit) makes that final "rotation onto the imaginary axis" {Inside joke} and crosses the boundary into the Heavenly realm, I am prepared to stand there, in my "heavenly body", arm in arm and singing praises to our Lord in sweet harmony with other creatures "made in the image of God", whose lives in this universe were spent in physical bodies that were optimized for life in conditions that would destroy us "carbon-based earthforms" instantly.

Seems reasonable to me, dear brother in Christ!

Oh, I didn't locate the "easter egg," but I caught your ref to the "imaginary axis ... [that] crosses the boundary into the Heavenly realm."

By analogy to "rotation" of the Cartesian Plane's Y Axis — which is said to be "populated" entirely by imaginary numbers — by rotating the X Axis around a zero point. The X Axis is "populated" by the real numbers.

In temporal terms, one might say the X Axis is a good model of "ordinary" human time. That is, the time concept as a linear, serial, irreversible progression from past to present to future. This sort of time has a "unit": the moment. Time flows only one way, as the simple progression of "moments," nothing more. Sooner or later, everything is "over the dam."

To say the Y Axis is exclusively populated by imaginary numbers tells you exactly nothing. For on the basis of ordinary experience, no one can visualize an imaginary number, or conceive what purpose it might possibly serve in the great scheme of things.

Definitionally, the basic imaginary number is i, which equals the number expressing the square root of 2, or –1. Going to its mathematical usage, an imaginary number, when squared, gives a negative result. As it turns out, sometimes this comes in handy:

... by simply accepting that i exists we can solve things that need the square root of a negative number. — See: Math Is Fun.

My takeaway from the above description of Y and X axes, imaginary and real numbers, and "horizontal" time" and "vertical time" (speaking hypothetically here) is that the two "time orders" sketched on the Cartesian Plane mutually interact in the human subjective sense, in the mind. (And that's where complex numbers come from.)

I'm not sure that my dear brother MHGinTN would entirely agree on this. But I must say that his concepts of linear and planar time pretty much jibe with the temporal meanings I assign to the axes X and Y respectively.

But then there would need to be a "volumetric time," to "encompass" them both, and bring them into mutual relation.... Need a new axis!

But that hypothetical Axis cannot be located on the Cartesian Plane — for that plane is relentlessly "flat."

Anyhoot, to get back to where we started, I think of the critturs along the "imaginary axis" to which you referred — Y Axis — as possibly suggesting "time-like," directional properties or qualities to the mind of an observer.

I do not think/believe the separation of the temporal body and immortal soul occurs within such a dimensionally-limited spacetime.

Or even in any possible spacetime. For our Lord is not "in" Time. Or "in" Space. JMHO FWIW

Thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts, dear TXnMA!!!

And thank you so very much for posting the awesome photo!

[MHGinTN]

Quoting a well used phrase or two, ‘Without time events do not occur and without space things do not exist.’ Even the soul has spacetime coordinates. The trick is to figure out how to express those coordinates mathematically so that they may be integrated with those of the physical body and the immortal spirit.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for sharing your penetrating insights, dearest sister in Christ!

My takeaway from the above description of Y and X axes, imaginary and real numbers, and "horizontal" time" and "vertical time" (speaking hypothetically here) is that the two "time orders" sketched on the Cartesian Plane mutually interact in the human subjective sense, in the mind. (And that's where complex numbers come from.)

I'm not sure that my dear brother MHGinTN would entirely agree on this. But I must say that his concepts of linear and planar time pretty much jibe with the temporal meanings I assign to the axes X and Y respectively.

But then there would need to be a "volumetric time," to "encompass" them both, and bring them into mutual relation.... Need a new axis!

But that hypothetical Axis cannot be located on the Cartesian Plane — for that plane is relentlessly "flat."

That's the problem with a 2 dimensional plane.

But what if we visualized the space/time continuum as having multiple expanded dimensions or even infinite dimensions?

To make it interesting, we might consider Everett's Multi-World Theory which derives from Schrödinger's equation (the cat is both alive and dead.)

As MHGinTN said, paraphrased, in the absence of time events cannot occur and in the absence of space things cannot exist.

Both are very true, but a choice event whether quantum or classical (choosing a taco over a hamburger for lunch) - does not necessarily collapse the apparent other paths, e.g. the hamburger choice. At least in Everett's theory all choices were made and the consequences exist some where/when.

In a finite space/time continuum with volumetric time - past, present and future concurrently exist. But if his theory is correct then all paths would also exist.

If so, the Great White Throne judgment will be amazing as all the "what ifs" would be answered. Everything would be known.

But time and space (however many dimensions) are part of the Creation and not restrictions on the Creator of them. Moreover, we Christians are already alive with Christ in God and thus have a sense of not really being "home" in the flesh.

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Colossians 3:3

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:1-9

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - I Corinthians 6:19

So for me, the Y axis is akin to Spiritual perception.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Corinthians 2:13

Conversely, Sensory perception would be the X axis.

Every "natural" men Jesus was speaking to could physically hear Him, but only those with "ears to hear" could spiritually hear him.

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

So much like the flatlanders of a 3D world (2 spatial dimensions, 1 temporal dimension) - 4Ders (3S,1T) are limited by sensory perception to detecting only the intersections of extra-dimensional events/things in our 4D world.

But mortal (4D) Christians discern spiritually as well as physically, i.e. the Y axis. So we know things or have understanding on top of, or perhaps even in spite of, our sensory perceptions.

(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) - 2 Cor 5:7

It will be thrilling to understand the mathematics behind these dimensions and intersections - but, alas, we may have to wait until the next life to do so.

God's Name is I AM.