Posted on 05/02/2013 6:04:40 AM PDT by Fennie
If you really believe that a jet powered aircraft could go from 2000mph to zero in an instant,
***You have 1947 evidence of this capability? Most of the best sightings in 1947 have the devices going about 1500 MPH. But not from “zero in an instant”.
Why would 1500 MPH be considered extraterrestrial? NAZI rockets flew at 3500 MPH and landed in Britain.
In the 1890’s there were sightings of strange craft that were considered extraterrestrial because they were perceived to fly at the incredible rate of 200 MPH. Would that be considered extraterrestrial today? No.
What a simpleton you’re proving yourself to be.
***Well, Betty Boop called you a psychotic and it appears from your posting behavior that she’s right. So have fun in your sandbox.
Do you enjoy having someone attribute to you something which you did not say in the way they misrepresent it? This is standard for posters like kevmo.
I am so sorry to see two friends "going at each other" in this way.
Jeepers Kevmo, I didn’t call MHGinTN a “psychotic.”
***Then I extend my apology to you and MHGinTN.
I don’t understand how you drew that conclusion from what I wrote.
***Here’s what you wrote in post #160 on this thread.
But then such folks as propose such patent nonsense are the sort that will propose ANY theory, just as long as it obviates the need of a Creator God — in their own imagination. They would turn themselves into pretzels if their “theory” needed it. It’s just NUTZ, or — not to put too fine a point on it — psychotic.
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I am so sorry to see two friends “going at each other” in this way.
***I won’t be going at him on this thread any more, he can have the sandbox to play in all he wants.
Actually, it was post #147, not 160.
Thanks for your nice words, betty.
Aliens: I LOVE your pic of Ooooooprah. It is PRECIOUS!
You correctly quoted me here:
But then such folks as propose such patent nonsense are the sort that will propose ANY theory, just as long as it obviates the need of a Creator God — in their own imagination. They would turn themselves into pretzels if their “theory” needed it. It’s just NUTZ, or — not to put too fine a point on it — psychotic.The "patent nonsense" I had in mind was panspermia theory.
But somehow we got drawn into a side alley, were questions about the existence or non-existence of space aliens and/or UFOs are paramount. It seems MHGinTN has knowledge of a great deal of witness testimony regarding UFOs. I don't know whether he's personally seen one himself. (I know I haven't.)
And it seems you, dear Kevmo, reject witness testimony as unqualified evidence per se, to be disdained and disregarded. Also I gather you have not seen a space alien/UFO yourself.
Neither have I. But my husband has twice encountered UFOs, the first siting over Lake Cochituate in eastern Massachusetts, and the second off Sagamore Beach, Cape Cod. Both involved unidentifiable flying objects with strange and erratic physical behavior and lotsa lights.
The second siting is by far the more interesting to me; because there was a second observer beside my husband: his dog Bucky, an Alaskan Malamute. The following is from my husband's depiction of what happened that night.
When the object suddenly appeared, hovering about 20 feet above the waters of Cape Cod Bay, Bucky instantly went on alert, barking furiously. The object seemed to have "noticed" the man and dog on the sand flats, homed in, and trained a light beam on them. The next thing they knew, the object was "right there," hovering menacingly only yards away. B was at first paralyzed in astonishment. But Bucky went into full defense mode, getting himself in between the object and his master, still barking furiously, dashing back and forth, making feints at the object.
Then there was a pulse of blinding light. At that point B figured it was definitely time to "get out of town." So he called off Bucky, and the two of them beat a fast retreat, running away as fast as their feet could take them.
The first siting didn't "engage" the observers like the second one did. It was just a brightly-lighted unidentifiable flying object darting hither and yon over the lake, then suddenly shooting up into the heavens at blistering speed. Whereupon it disappeared.
I can't describe the objects my husband saw. He didn't tell me much about their physical descriptions. I note in passing that both sitings occurred in close proximity to military facilities: the first close by Natick Labs (then an Army research facility); the second, Otis Air Force Base. But I don't know whether this is germane or mere happenstance.
Anyhoot, more witness testimony. The presumption is that the objects were intelligently and purposefully designed, and that there may have been intelligent beings on board flying them.
But it's a stretch from there to panspermia theory, which asserts that intelligent beings — space aliens — are the source of Life on Earth; that aeons ago, they "seeded" the planet, and what Christians call the Creation subsequently burst forth. The theory holds the "origin" of Life on earth traces to visitors from remote parts of the galaxy, or even beyond — yet still from within the universe. This would make the universe a closed, self-generating system.
But is the universe really like that? Or is that just the way the metaphysical naturalist or atheist sees it?
For the question remains: What is the source of the space aliens? One assumes they did not come from nothing (nothing ever does): for they are intelligent; and if intelligent, alive like us. Life and intelligence are signs that they share a common source with us. And it seems to me the only possible common source is God — the Uncaused Cause — Who is the source and sustainer of the universe, Who gave it all its forms and its laws according to His Logos.
Finally, I do not have a clue what UFOs are. Besides what people claim them to be, they could be any number of other things. Hologrammatic projections; hallucinations, for instance.
On that observation, I note that the Russian novelist and professional guru, G. I. Gurdieff, a self-proclaimed "jokester," has Satan and his minions running all over the universe in space ships [see: Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson]....
I'm keeping an open mind. I don't have enough evidence to decide this question. But I'm always willing to listen to the evidence, even if it's witness testimony.
As to the occupants driving the things? Well, as our missing Quix friend would say, perhaps they are demonic beings. OR, perhaps they are created beings but lack soemthing that God gave to us which is of great interest to the 'visitors'. As to panspermia, well, I cannot accept it yet, but I do believe there is no way panspermia would explain God breathing the spirit into Adam and therefore passed to us eventually. In one of my novels, a character proclaims to his guest that 'Eden is not so removed as millions of years ago.'
Even if panspermia is a reality for the origin of nephesh on earth, that doesn't exclude the fact that nephesh is caused by God creating, nor evidence that neshama exists sans God creating it. If I ever get the chance, I would really like to ask the 'visitors' if they have a spirit.
And one last thing: there is a reason why I asked if the poster understood laminar flow or inertia and inertial mass as differentiated from gravitational mass. i suspect there is an abundance of all hat and no cattle at work. Time is interwoven in the conundrum of inertial mass dampening.
I siimultaneously entertain two alternative theories in my head about the nature of life in the universe. One, that it is ubiquitous, quite common. Or at least the raw physical materials for it are. The second is that it is uniquely only here, that the universe awaits us to spread life to it.
Maybe earth and earthly life is the petrie dish and the filter; those that pass successfully through the filter have the whole universe spread before them.
I haven’t seen enough evidence to settle the matter either way to my satisfaction, and I doubt I will settle it during my earthly existence.
I have to admit, it looks awfully cold and dead out there, lie an enormous debris field, but when you are looking across distances of that many millions of miles, really, what can you expect to see?
Either way, God as Creator is not in question. I suppose the question is if there is more going on than meets the eye, and I am fairly confident that there is. We may be a small phase shift away from a kaleidoscope world of whose existence we remain unaware right until the moment that it pops into focus.
And it seems you, dear Kevmo, reject witness testimony as unqualified evidence per se, to be disdained and disregarded.
***Not at all the case. Eyewitnesses are seeing something, but it is a secret weapon rather than extraterrestrial stuff.
I note in passing that both sitings occurred in close proximity to military facilities: the first close by Natick Labs (then an Army research facility); the second, Otis Air Force Base. But I don’t know whether this is germane or mere happenstance.
***It is germane, and it is also quite typical of UFO sightings. It adds weight to my hypothesis and reduces weight from the ET hypothesis.
For the question remains: What is the source of the space aliens?
***There are no aliens. It’s a buncha guys in supersecret craft doing their best to generate the impression they’re from somewhere else. When american pilots were testing the first generation of jet planes, sometimes they put on gorilla suits so that when people reported airplanes without propellers, they would be discredited. It’s standard operating procedure.
Finally, I do not have a clue what UFOs are.
***I do. I’ve been studying it for more than 35 years. It’s difficult to wade through all the piles & piles of baloney. So if you are curious and prefer to be efficient about it, read this one standout book that doesn’t constantly throw Ockham’s Razor under the bus:
Intercept UFO by Renato Vesco
http://www.amazon.com/Intercept-UFO-Renato-Vesco/dp/B0006WI572
‘Small phase shift away’ ... indeed, as illustrated inDaniel Chapter Five and the messenger at palace party central. Kaleidoscope world (an ‘other’ where/when) is only an arm’s length away.
Meant to ping you ...
Worse, Freepers who I respect deeply and hold dear have been offended. This is not good and I didn't want to sow any discord.
Panspermia is irrelevant to me - no matter whether it is Crick or Dawkins championing the speculation. It amounts to no more than avoiding the Name of God in academic discussions or worse, denying God the Creator altogether.
We mortals tend to be blinded by persistent sensory inputs to the point that we can easily believe that reality must be somehow limited by our ability to perceive it.
And Dawkins like so many other atheists and metaphysical naturalists is probably the most blind of all - or the most deluded. It is as if he cannot accept any reality in which he is not the captain of his own ship and the master of his own destiny.
As a scientist, he should know better.
For one thing, science cannot say that a field or dimension or type of dimension does not exist if it has no direct or indirect measurable affect.
Limited to his persistent sense of 4 dimensions (3 spatial, 1 temporal) and energy/momentum and blinded to only accept that which he can measure directly or indirectly, a man might believe that no thing could move through space/time faster than the speed of light. After all, such an impediment would severely limit the opportunity for contact over large expanses of space/time should such life actually exist.
But what if the distance between two points could be collapsed as if by folding space/time, i.e. making the two points adjacent? More to the point, 4D limitations would not apply to a 5 dimensional being.
If you were 5 dimensional, for instance, you could remove the contents of a box without opening it.
All of that may sound a bit like science fiction, but in quantum field theory, more specifically quantum entanglement which has been tested up to 10 kilometers, the speed limit of the universe (speed of light) has already been breached, where the quantum states of two or more objects have to be described with reference to one another regardless of the extent to which they may be spatially separated. e.g. one on earth the other on the moon, in another galaxy, etc.
So I am not troubled one way or the other, whether God has created other life forms elsewhere and whether they are 4D, 5D2T or whatever. Indeed, I've often wondered about the following passage, i.e. "kings and priests of what?"
Oops, I meant to ping you to 196. Sorry about that!
The thought crosses my mind sometimes that maybe all that is out there is simply machinery necessary to keep everything running.Including,obviously,the Earth and everything on it.Maybe the physical running of a planet containing life is way more complicated than we yet realize.I read somewhere that even the fluttering of a butterfly's wings effects the farthest star.
Maybe it's all just cogs and sprockets.
The new creation should be a blast!
I still assert that EVERYTHING that exists IN the Universe of God's creating has some aspect of space and some aspect of time. We don't yet understand how many variable expressions of dimension space or dimension time exist in the Universe of God's creating.
To a photon emitted from Alpha Centauri, dimension space is one variable in size, and the photon crosses the universe of 3D1T always in the present temporal reality of when it was emitted, arriving at Earth carrying data/information of that star as it existed when the photon was emitted. [a 0S2T or 1S2T thing traversing a 3S1T or 3S2T or 3S3T field]
To my mind that means the photon is a little bit of space and a pinch of time, with energy in the package. The trick is to figure out how to express the spatial and temporal variables in a way that integrates with the spacetime the photon traversed and the spacetime of the receptor where the photon gets absorbed.
In the methodology of my where/when expressions, space has four expressions, point, line, plane, and volume, and the same for time: null, past, present, future. Essentially, the emission of a photon is akin to the moment of the creation of light for the unfolding Universe, when a phase shift allowed there to be light. All the variables of all the Dimensions may or may not have all begun at the big bang.
I tend to believe phase shifts occurred which brought more complexity into existence in the greater field which we would call 'the Universe of God's Creation.
I used the 5D2T expression because that is how an actual theory by P.S. Wesson is expressed by him. An offshoot of his theory is that physical death may merely be a phase change:
This, by the way, is the big omission in most crevo debates about the age of the universe. People tend to not finish their sentences. For instance, the universe is approximately 15 billion years old from our space/time coordinates but only a week old from the inception space/time coordinates. (Schroeder et al)
I would also suggest that the 5 dimensional being could be 4S1T and still remove the contents of the box without opening it. To him, my body would appear as if an arm here, a leg there even though from my 4D (3S1T) perspective my own body is whole, i.e. not disconnected.
To sort this all out, lurkers might consider how a "flatlander" - a denizen of a 3D (2S1T) - existing in a plane or membrane - would consider us 4D creatures (3S1T). They would not be able to make sense of our interactions in their sheet-of-paper like worldview.
Likewise we would have difficulty understanding a >4D creature much less God.
Truly, man is not the measure of God.
mitch5501, I wanted to add a quick observation to your insight on the previous post. You said:
But the road you have taken is on the equator and the circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles and the earth rotates once every 24 hours. So that fly is now going 1,100 mph + 70 mph = 1,170 mph.
Moreover, the orbital length of earth traveling around the sun is 149,600,000 miles, traveled in 365.25 days. That is 67,000 miles per hour. So add that in, and the fly is going 68,170 mph. The sun orbits the Milky Way galaxy at a speed of 486,000 miles per hour. Add that in, and the fly is now going 554,170 miles per hour.
All of this and we haven’t gotten to the accelerating expansion of the universe, i.e. space/time itself.
A galaxy 1 million light years away would seem to be moving away from us at a rate of 60,000 miles per hour. For every 3.26 million light years further out that we look, the galaxies seem to be moving away from us at an additional 162,000 miles per hour In sum, the universe is currently at least 156 billion light years wide.
And that is from the fly’s perspective. If we go in the other direction as "observer" – the quantum – the cumulative velocities are even more mind-boggling.
So, yes, I agree that it is no accident.
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