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To: MHGinTN; Kevmo; betty boop; marron
I apologize for taking so long to reply. Every time I returned to the thread to gather up the recent insights it seems the direction of the discussion changed.

Worse, Freepers who I respect deeply and hold dear have been offended. This is not good and I didn't want to sow any discord.

These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: ... and he that soweth discord among brethren. - Proverbs 16:16 ... 19

But since my dearest sister in Christ has broached the subject so beautifully and things seem to have calmed, I will go ahead and offer my "two cents."

Panspermia is irrelevant to me - no matter whether it is Crick or Dawkins championing the speculation. It amounts to no more than avoiding the Name of God in academic discussions or worse, denying God the Creator altogether.

We mortals tend to be blinded by persistent sensory inputs to the point that we can easily believe that reality must be somehow limited by our ability to perceive it.

And Dawkins like so many other atheists and metaphysical naturalists is probably the most blind of all - or the most deluded. It is as if he cannot accept any reality in which he is not the captain of his own ship and the master of his own destiny.

As a scientist, he should know better.

For one thing, science cannot say that a field or dimension or type of dimension does not exist if it has no direct or indirect measurable affect.

Limited to his persistent sense of 4 dimensions (3 spatial, 1 temporal) and energy/momentum and blinded to only accept that which he can measure directly or indirectly, a man might believe that no thing could move through space/time faster than the speed of light. After all, such an impediment would severely limit the opportunity for contact over large expanses of space/time should such life actually exist.

But what if the distance between two points could be collapsed as if by folding space/time, i.e. making the two points adjacent? More to the point, 4D limitations would not apply to a 5 dimensional being.

If you were 5 dimensional, for instance, you could remove the contents of a box without opening it.

All of that may sound a bit like science fiction, but in quantum field theory, more specifically quantum entanglement which has been tested up to 10 kilometers, the speed limit of the universe (speed of light) has already been breached, where the quantum states of two or more objects have to be described with reference to one another regardless of the extent to which they may be spatially separated. e.g. one on earth the other on the moon, in another galaxy, etc.

So I am not troubled one way or the other, whether God has created other life forms elsewhere and whether they are 4D, 5D2T or whatever. Indeed, I've often wondered about the following passage, i.e. "kings and priests of what?"

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. - Rev 5:10

One thing I know for sure, no matter what I can imagine, whatever God has planned for us will be much better than that.

For since the beginning of the world [men] have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, [what] he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him. - Isa 64:4

God's Name is I AM.

196 posted on 05/13/2013 10:18:25 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TXnMA

Oops, I meant to ping you to 196. Sorry about that!


197 posted on 05/13/2013 10:19:07 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; marron
5D2T ...? I would write that as 3S2T, meaning three variable space and two variable time. In such a field the inside of a 3D1T box would be available without opening the box in 3D1T spacetime.

I still assert that EVERYTHING that exists IN the Universe of God's creating has some aspect of space and some aspect of time. We don't yet understand how many variable expressions of dimension space or dimension time exist in the Universe of God's creating.

To a photon emitted from Alpha Centauri, dimension space is one variable in size, and the photon crosses the universe of 3D1T always in the present temporal reality of when it was emitted, arriving at Earth carrying data/information of that star as it existed when the photon was emitted. [a 0S2T or 1S2T thing traversing a 3S1T or 3S2T or 3S3T field]

To my mind that means the photon is a little bit of space and a pinch of time, with energy in the package. The trick is to figure out how to express the spatial and temporal variables in a way that integrates with the spacetime the photon traversed and the spacetime of the receptor where the photon gets absorbed.

In the methodology of my where/when expressions, space has four expressions, point, line, plane, and volume, and the same for time: null, past, present, future. Essentially, the emission of a photon is akin to the moment of the creation of light for the unfolding Universe, when a phase shift allowed there to be light. All the variables of all the Dimensions may or may not have all begun at the big bang.

I tend to believe phase shifts occurred which brought more complexity into existence in the greater field which we would call 'the Universe of God's Creation.

199 posted on 05/14/2013 7:38:45 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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