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To: BroJoeK

How do you know, as an incontrovertible, proven fact, that God didn’t create the universe?


165 posted on 05/05/2013 12:31:57 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

Can I answer?

We (me, you, scientists, and basically everyone else) don’t know as an incontrovertible, proven fact, that God didn’t create the universe. We can’t even prove which god didn’t create the universe. How would you prove such a thing?

There is a difference though, between evolution and the origin of the universe. Evolution doesn’t start until there’s life. And estimates put the origin of life one earth at about 3.8 billions years ago. The earth is almost a billion years older than that at 4.5 billion. The universe itself, much much older.


166 posted on 05/05/2013 1:45:44 PM PDT by Swing_Ladder (It's All A Ride.)
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To: Fantasywriter
Fantasywriter: "How do you know, as an incontrovertible, proven fact, that God didn’t create the universe?"

I have no doubt that God did create the Universe and everything in it, including us and, so it appears, including evolution.
As for "proof", there are several traditional proofs offered up by ancient philosophers, and I'd say any of them will serve.

But we should remember that the subject here is science, not metaphysics or theology, and in science the first rule is: natural explanations for natural processes.
In other words, science rejects as a matter of definition of the word "science" any reference to God or other supernatural explanations.

That's why I say, just as soon as you inject God into any scientific discussion, then it is no longer scientific.
It is something else: religion, theology or metaphysics, etc., but not science, because science can't deal with anything other than the natural world.

171 posted on 05/06/2013 5:05:20 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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