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Question: can someone explain to me the demographic switch of the solid south?
April 18, 2013 | epsdude

Posted on 04/18/2013 2:14:07 PM PDT by Epsdude

Sorry for this unusual post. I'm probably the youngest one this site so you can imagine I've got a lot to learn in politics, but one thing has always puzzled me.

I know that Republicans broke away from the Whigs to oppose the pro-slavery Democrats but the change in party demographics since then has perplexed me.

I recently saw this picture: http://manwiththemuckrake.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/slavery-2012.jpg

I'm just curious, what caused such a radical shift in the solid south? Some people accredit this to an 'ideological party switch' but that seems rather implausible to me. So what did cause this arbitrary shift and, also why did the black vote slowly drift over to the Democrats?

Thanks.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Society
KEYWORDS: biblebelt; conservative; demographics; segregation; slavery; solidsouth
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To: Epsdude

They began fluoridation of public water works in the South in 1946.

Some say it’s coincidence. Some blame the Yankees. Others, the communists.

Some call it the most monstrously conceived and executed plot for the purpose of tainting our precious bodily fluids.

The result: modern democrats. QED. I want credit if you use this amazing information in an academic paper or release it to the newspapers.


61 posted on 04/18/2013 4:15:21 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: taterjay

LBJ said when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that he had just written off for the Democrats the South for a hundred years; not true. Obama still won in VA and FL. Clinton won half of the South both times.


62 posted on 04/18/2013 4:16:19 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: elcid1970

“Without the slavish support of the black vote it would have become marginalized by now into the party of the coastal urban elites.”

Now they are working of the illegal Mexicans.


63 posted on 04/18/2013 4:17:02 PM PDT by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: SeeSharp

You nailed it.


64 posted on 04/18/2013 4:18:31 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: DustyMoment

Thank you; that makes a lot more sense to me.


65 posted on 04/18/2013 4:20:27 PM PDT by Epsdude
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To: Epsdude
I grew up in a Southern family where being a Republican was almost treason. It was also a very patriotic family and as I grew through my teen years in the late 50s I sensed the leftist infiltration into the democrat party. The first campaign I really took a serious interest in was for Goldwater and I've been registered Republican since 1963.

When I finally convinced my father to switch parties he was over 80 years old, he always voted conservative but never could bring himself to switch, the memories of Reconstruction were just too close for his generation.

I was right, the democrats have become the Marxist Party in all but name, and Marxism will always require tyranny to function. The Republican party was the closest thing I could find to a freedom party then, much less so today.

66 posted on 04/18/2013 4:20:45 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matater of Opinion)
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To: x

Correct


67 posted on 04/18/2013 4:22:02 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: muawiyah

Blacks are 6.6% of California’s population, is that how they turned California permanently into the democrat powerhouse of national politics?


68 posted on 04/18/2013 4:23:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective position-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Theodore R.

Jimmy Carter carried a large majority of the South in ‘76.


69 posted on 04/18/2013 4:25:34 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: ansel12

Black voters are concentrated in major cities and exert far more influence than their 6.6% numbers would otherwise indicate.


70 posted on 04/18/2013 4:25:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The question is are they “40% of the Democrat vote overall”,
or “Blacks are today THE DEMOCRAT PARTY itself.”?

Is that how that cunning 6.6% of the California population took over the state for their democrat party?


71 posted on 04/18/2013 4:30:54 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective position-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Theodore R.
Florida's Republicans worked very hard the last 10 years or so stripping ineligible voters from the rolls.

They are to be commended for their work.

Alas, Republicans lost the election.

So, does that mean they stripped too many Republicans off the rolls, or something else?

Let me propose both ~ but there's the Charlie Crist factor. We laugh and joke about him being a big RINO, but he appears to have had a following among Republicans, and they followed him to the Democrats.

I think we need to identify that faction a little more to see what it's about, otherwise we will continue to lose their votes in Florida elections.

72 posted on 04/18/2013 4:32:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yarddog
It would sure be nice to have a '63 split-window coupe. What did you run?
73 posted on 04/18/2013 4:32:40 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: DustyMoment

“So, what has happened is that enough Republicans either migrated to the South or they saw the handwriting on the wall and switched parties.”

The conservative democrats switched parties so they could win re-election. The south changed parties, not because republicans moved south, but because the democratic party was becoming what it is today. It was the politicians that saw the light, not the southern people.

BTW I grew up in B’ham, AL, and was there during all the race riots.


74 posted on 04/18/2013 4:37:30 PM PDT by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: EEGator

I have a 91 Crown Victoria and can barely afford to keep that running.

I remember back in 1973 My wife and I were shopping for a new car. We ended up getting the sensible Olds Cutlass Supreme but just for a minute I thought about getting one of the Mercedes Sports Cars. I can’t even remember what it was called but it was $18,000 back then.

Looking back it probably would have been a good buy but then again it was a bit too small for a growing family.


75 posted on 04/18/2013 4:38:30 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: ansel12
Willie Brown, right? He wormed his way in as Speaker.

Some of it's personalities ~ where a predominant black politician could get a rag tag following of otherwise doped out or befuddled Democrats.

Brown definitely did that.

But by being concentrated in half a dozen cities, they were able to leverage their 6.6% number into a far larger grouping.

You also saw substantial immigration from other areas without a democratic tradition, and they fell for the BS

76 posted on 04/18/2013 4:41:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mtnwmn

ALSO, the Souf’ had a tradition of slow movement up the chairs. Younger, better educated folks wanted to run, and run now, and the easy way was to run with the Republicans ~ which they did ~ and enough of them won to be able to drag several large Souvrn’ factions into the Republican column on a regular basis.


77 posted on 04/18/2013 4:44:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yarddog

My bad, I meant in track. :)


78 posted on 04/18/2013 4:46:17 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: muawiyah

No, the 6.6% of the California population which is black, did not turn California into the golden jewel of the democrat party and turn it into a permanent blue state.


79 posted on 04/18/2013 4:48:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective position-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: EEGator

I was a sprinter and hurdler. I also sometimes threw the javelin and even the shot and discus. Also the long jump.

I held the Troy University record in the 120 yard (110 meters) HH for 28 years. I think I still hold the 50 yard indoor record as they no longer run that with the change to metric. The 110 meters and 120 yards are so close that records are considered the same.

At one Florida relays I was the first guy over the first 3 hurdles but finished around 6th. A world record holder was in my heat. I always had a good start and could literally run with anyone for the first 20 yards or so.


80 posted on 04/18/2013 4:53:04 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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