Vanity - Sen Ted Cruz is natural Born Citizen!!!

[Perdogg]

Sen Ted Cruz's mother was a US Citizen at the time of his birth, therefore he is nBC! He just said on Hannity he was a US Citizen at time of birth.

[9YearLurker]

I do believe the birther theory on that, which they questioned with Obama, was if the only American parent were underage and the child had been born abroad, according to the law at that time.

[Brown Deer]

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, on Dec. 22, 1970. His father, Rafael, born about 1940, tells of battling the oppressive Batista regime in Cuba as a teenager, being incarcerated and beaten, then coming to the Austin in 1957 on a student visa. He got a job as a dishwasher for 50 cents an hour, learned Engliash and graduated from the University of Texas with a degreee in math, then went to work at an oil exploration software company, where he met Eleanor Darragh who'd become his second wife and Ted's mother (he already had two daughters).

Eleanor was born about 1935 in Wilmington, DE to Elizabeth E. Cekine & Edward John Darragh, Jr, both natives of Delaware. Elizabeth's parents were Mary Lonergan of Ireland and Dominic Cekine of Italy. Edward's parents were Ella F. Haggerty and Edward John Darragh both natives of Pennsylvania.

Eleanor applied to Rice University after her family moved to Houston, getting a math degree in 1956 and went to work as a computer programmer at Shell Oil. The parents of Ted separated in 1974 and Rafael returned to Houston. Eleanor returned six months later. They divorced in February 1997 in Houston. Rafael became a U.S. Citizen in 2005.

[Brown Deer]

Do you really believe that you know more about this subject than David?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

The problem was that many seemed to only read the age requirement and not the larger section in which it was contained, referring to births abroad, and came to the conclusion that it applied to babies born in the US as well.

[aviator]

C’mon, you know if he runs the Left will suddenly discover the “natural born” clause and raise a humongeous stink and sue if he wins (with John Roberts likely casting the fifth vote to toss him).

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The Dems won’t make a peep on this issue until he wins the GOP primary and then they will cut him off at the knees with it.

[TheBigJ]

McCain was never eligible, he’s foreign born, period. Resolution 511 anyone? Why was it necessary for the “eligible” McCain? Look it up. The elites could care less about NBC the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

[TheBigJ]

Another one who missed basic middle school civics class, where all Americans are taught one must be born on U.S. soil to be a natural born citizen the requirement for President. This isn’t that difficult.

[philman_36]

But--there is no reason Congress can't exercise its naturalization power to make a person a naturalized citizen at birth either; and I would see that as what the citizenship statutes do.
Let me see if I can put this another way...

We are each born male or female, right? This is a "State of Nature", something that simply is. (I won't get into anomalies such as hermaphrodites as this is a basic example)

Now, Congress can come along and pass a statute that says a person's gender is to be decided by that person upon reaching their maturity. A man can call himself a woman, but his "State of Nature" is that he is a man.
A man will always be a man and a woman will always be a woman. If you've got the right parts an intelligent human knows what gender you are and Congress can never pass a law that can dispute natural law. A tree is a tree, not a bush, and one simply can't be the other by natural law.

A natural born citizen exists in a "State of Nature" and no statute can grant such a thing.

It's not that complicated of a concept! How you don't grasp it is beyond me!

[WildHighlander57]

See brown deer’s post #62, it has Cruz’s birth date but lists no marriage date for his parents.

Brown deer, do you have Cruz’s parents marriage date?

[edge919]

As to defining what is “natural born” - Vattel in 212 is more accurately translated as “indigenous or natives”.

According to what source is this "more accurately translated"?? And second, it's a pointless argument since the Supreme Court unanimoulsy substituted the term "natural-born citizen" to characterize the same birth criteria as 212 - all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens.

There is nothing in the original French that could be accurately translated to “natural born” which was the common term in English law for one born a citizen.

In 1781, the founders translated the french term "naturel" as "natural-born" ... Naturel is the same term used by Vattel that you said was more accurately translated the other way. And why did the later editions of Law of Nations change the translation to "natural-born citizen"?? If it was more accurately translated as "indigenous or natives," shouldn't that have been the later translation??

[Brown Deer]

Rafael Bienvenido Cruz was first married to Julia Anne Garza. They had two daughters, Miriam Ceferina Cruz born on Nov 22, 1961 in Austin and Roxana Lourdes Cruz born on Nov 18, 1962 in Dallas.

I am not sure when he divorced Julia and married Eleanor, but those two events probably occurred sometime between 1962 and 1970. Eleanor and Rafael were divorced on Feb 13, 1997 in Houston.

[Sherman Logan]

According to English law birth place was not the primary consideration

Actually, that's not true. Under common law the primary consideration was indeed place of birth.

BTW, the Irish guy you mention was the Duke of Wellington.

[9YearLurker]

In this case, given what David wrote that I was referring to, yes—as do many Freepers.

[Brown Deer]

I doubt you have the credentials.

[Huskerfan44]

No knowledge that he has made that claim, NBC determination has been from external interpretation. Valid??? Legality still TBD.

[Huskerfan44]

No knowledge that he has made that claim, NBC determination has been from external interpretation. Valid??? Legality still TBD.

[WildHighlander57]

Many thanks, Brown Deer and David

Brown deer, I remembered a site, linked below.

Texas marriage records 1966 to 2008 hasn’t anything for Eleanor Darragh so maybe marriage took place between 1962 and 1966 :

http://www.texasmarriagerecords.org/wife/darr-pamela-s—darrah-susan-l.html

But figuring the difference between Eleanor’s and Ted’s birth years puts her at around 35 years old when he was born.

Does this Citizenship requirement have any mistakes in it?

“For persons born between December 24,1952 and November 14,1986,a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock):
1.The person’s parents were married at the time of birth
2.One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3.The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;
4.A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday”

So the minimum age she can be in order to meet #3 and 4 above is 24.

If she was 35 years old (born 1935) when he was born in 1970 then it works.

Working the numbers a different way, 1935 birth year for Eleanor + 24 is 1959.

If she got married in 1962 at the earliest , this also works; there’s a margin of 3 years... the cutoff year here would be 1959.

[little jeremiah]

So Cruz’ father was of Cuban nationality when he was born, PLUS he was born in Canada. And he claims to be a natural born citizen.

Makes me want to puke.

[WildHighlander57]

There’s a math mistake here, the soonest a child’s birth could be (in Eleanor and Teds cases) 1935 + 14 + 5 is 1954.

[Smokeyblue]

Jindal, Rubio, and Cruz are great defenders of the Constitution UNTIL it threatens limits their own personal goals.

Why else have they been so silent? Just waiting for their turn to destroy parts of the Constitution?

See, if they said something, anything, someone might have to ask questions of the current usurper. Can’t have that.

Of course, the current usurper’s “story” is that he was born on American soil to at least one American parent. Jindal, Rubio, and Cruz don’t even meet that bogus standard.

Jindal, Rubio, and Cruz are much lower on the ever-changing NBC totem pole. They just don’t understand that the left will hold to the “Obama Standard” until they have another DEMOCRAT/COMMUNIST candidate to lower the standard further.

Dopes who think the left will let a Republican/Conservative get away with being a usurper need to get a clue.