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1 posted on 02/17/2013 9:29:05 AM PST by LouAvul
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Walker Game Ears $279.00. Buy the best and you won’t have a problem. You can get them at Cabelas.


2 posted on 02/17/2013 9:34:54 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: LouAvul

I know NOTHING about those particular ear muffs, but typically so many fewer rounds are discharged when hunting, than when on the range, that the total exposure to hearing is much less. And you are somewhat less likely to have other shooters near you.


3 posted on 02/17/2013 9:35:05 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: LouAvul

I’ve always used electronic ear muffs, sometimes turned on and sometimes not, and my hearing is exceptionally good. However, I have a good fit. I have ear plugs that I tried a few times, but didn’t like the feel and they didn’t seem to be needed.


4 posted on 02/17/2013 9:37:16 AM PST by Truth29
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To: LouAvul

I have a pretty bad case of tinnitus also. It acts up the most when I am stressed or don’t get enough sleep and also when I have been exposed to loud noises. There is a pretty big difference in ear muffs. Sometimes out at the range I do wear both muffs and plugs especially when I or someone else is shooting something really loud.

I have some Peltor ear muffs that are considerably more effective than the ones I picked up for a dollar or two at Harbor Freight. I would assume that the same variability goes for the electronic muffs. Price may not be the best indicator of effectiveness, so I too will be anxiously awaiting a response to your question.


5 posted on 02/17/2013 9:37:39 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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Mostly Sporting Clays here, used a variety of foam plugs until they became uncomfortable. Had a local guy mold custom silicone plugs that fill the ear canal. Most comfortable ever! First time out I wore them for 5 hours and hardly noticed. Granted you can’t hear much else going on, but I think they also make some with the electronic protection installed.


6 posted on 02/17/2013 9:38:54 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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Wow, you’re in rough shape !

A friend of mine deals with Tinnitus. It’s a living hell. My parents are both deaf from loud music in the 70s. My father has some crazy, $5000 hearing system and my mother just deals with it.

I swore to never go through that. I’m 36 and I have perfect hearing (Off the charts). That said, I often do activities that are ear damaging (Driving a convertible, loud muscle cars, jeeps with the tops off, and shooting every chance I get)

I carry around several styles of ear plugs on me at all times. I drive my car with ear plugs, and I’m frequently seen outdoors with earplugs in, even when the occasion doesn’t really call for it.

I get my earplugs at a local motorcycle shop. I have learned that they are rated for specific frequencies depending on their material. I frequently use the “Skull plugs” at the range, and the “booger” style plugs on the road.

I’ve also become familiar with their fit and resistance, and I keep my left one in, and my right one out (Or vice versa, depending on what hand is free). If I’m shooting in the woods where the gun fire is predictable, I’ll reach up real quick and push one in further to close the canal. When the shooting stops, I rub my lobe and the ear plug frees up enough to hear. I have never used an electronic muff at the range though.

Often times a walk-in medical clinic will clean out my ears with a deep procedure (It’s painful as hell) I go through that about once a year. I will weekly clean my ears with a drugstore soak, and I’ll swab my ears throughout the day about 3 times. I also have 8 ear piercings, so I clean those out frequently throughout the day as well.

All of this is because my parents have this loss of hearing, and it’s a pain in the ass - truly. People talk to them with malice (I lost my hearing once due to an infection - And yes, people treat you like shit when you can’t hear). All of these have taught me to be vigilant with my hearing.

Until nerve death occurs in the timpanic membrane, all of this hearing damage IS (likely) undoable. You can heal and regain a lot of that sensitivity back.


7 posted on 02/17/2013 9:39:19 AM PST by Celerity
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I damaged my hearing when I was young and had not heard about hearing loss from shooting. Actually I failed my draft physical because of my hearing.

When plinking, target shooting etc. I would wear as much as is reasonable. Although it probably does a tiny amount of damage when hunting I still don’t wear protection then.


8 posted on 02/17/2013 9:40:17 AM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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I wear military earplugs and am happy with them. don’t bother looking for them at an Army/navy store, order a couple of pairs on-line.


10 posted on 02/17/2013 9:41:41 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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I’ve actually been meaning to ask this question for some time now but don’t like vanities too much so I held off.

I wonder what, if anything, is used for hearing protection in combat? I never see any being used by our troops and the volume must be unbelievable! I know communication is obviously important in combat as well, so a soldier has to be able to hear. I don’t get it. How is it done? Do soldiers just go without and blow their ears out and hope it comes back after some time?


12 posted on 02/17/2013 9:43:51 AM PST by The Toll
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Some electronic headsets are better than others. The electronics inside aren't expensive, but the sound dampening and design sure make the price go up fast for models that allow good cheek weld without interfering because of a bulky design.

There really is no one great design/brand/model in sound-cancelling electronic hearing protection, I'm afraid.

I can at least tell you the model that's been widely adopted by the US military: Peltor SwatTac MT15H68FB-08.

Personally, I don't have any electronic hearing protection. I have custom molded earplugs because I suffer from Tinnitus like you do. These are the best but they have their downside too.

13 posted on 02/17/2013 9:45:18 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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"If muffs and plugs are necessary to protect our hearing, how is it that electronic muffs, alone, are sufficient?'

WHAT?

"If muffs and plugs are necessary to protect our hearing, how is it that electronic muffs, alone, are sufficient?"

ABOUT TWENTY 'TIL.

14 posted on 02/17/2013 9:47:54 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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When target shooting I always double up on my hearing protection, ear plugs and ear muffs.

Some of my handguns are extremely loud, such as my J frame S&W snubbie when shooting +P loads (or even target loads.)

When hunting, I use these earplugs that have a valve in them. It allows normal hearing, but attenuates loud bangs. A deer rifle is not as loud to the shooter as many handguns are due to the long barrel.

Also, when target shooting, I am burning through 100-150 rounds of ammo. (Or used to before the current madness. I’m not burning up my stocks until I know I can replace them.)

Deer hunting is a shot, maybe two.

All good reasons to double up on hearing protection at the range, especially an indoor range.


16 posted on 02/17/2013 9:53:08 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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MidwayUSA Ultimate 10 by Peltor

On sale for 17.99 this month (plus shipping, so add on a lot more stuff to spread it out).

www.midwayusa.com

I wear these when reading in the house to dull (almost eliminate) the TV when others are watching. And any other noisy place - got more than one pair.


17 posted on 02/17/2013 9:53:18 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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I have used expensive electronic hearing protection in an industrial situation, They block noise over 85 DB and amplify sound under 85 DB. I could actually hear the inner parts of a generator in a 105 DB environment. This is an easy way to find a loose tappet.
20 posted on 02/17/2013 9:55:09 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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I have tinnitus in both ears. The damage to my hearing was caused by industrial noise when I worked as a computer technician in a manufacturing environment. We never wore hearing protection back then. It wasn’t till later in life when my hearing began to fade. The hearing in my right ear is only about 20% and my left about 65%. When it comes to shooting I wear a good hearing protection. I use the Peltor Sport-Tac II headset. It does a great job of dampening the shot noise. You’ll never be able to reduce the noise by 100% due to bone conduction noise but the sound you’ll hear is below 80db which is consider normal hearing. Don’t take chances with your hearing, buy the best you can afford. Your ears are worth it.


21 posted on 02/17/2013 9:55:17 AM PST by 41Thunder (The SUPPLY of Government is GREATER than the DEMAND of the people)
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According to Board Certified Audiologist and TInnitus Doc, and a shooter:

At over 130dB, there is sufficient time delay in the activation of the electronic hearing protection, to warrant wearing the foam plugs too.


22 posted on 02/17/2013 9:56:15 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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NEVER USED HEARING PROTECTION! NEVER SAW A REAL NEED!


23 posted on 02/17/2013 9:57:13 AM PST by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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Mark of a soldier to have some/a lot of hearing loss right around the decibel range of an M60. They used to call it machine gun ears.

All joking aside, you don’t want a constant ringing in your ears for your entire adult life.


27 posted on 02/17/2013 10:03:52 AM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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I’ve been shooting for years; not familiar with the muffs you mentioned.

Normally we stick with foam plugs. Roll them between your fingers till they’re thin, then insert into your ears until they’re just inside the canal that a q-tip normally stops at. If they fill that inner canal after expanding you should be fine. Have never used both at the same time, and have yet to meet a round that requires it (including 12 gauge, 223, 454).

If you don’t like (or can’t use) the foam plugs correctly, find a $30-$50 (bare minimum) pair of electronic muffs. Using the electronic aspect is optional, but if you get into that price range they should be good enough that they “weld” to your head.

There again you run into complications if you have an oddly shaped / too big / too small head, so it may take some experimenting. It’s easy to know when they fit however; you’ll get some suction on your ears when you take them off.


29 posted on 02/17/2013 10:05:17 AM PST by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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Electronic muffs over foam plugs work quite well, if you turn the volume all the way up. Range commands can still be heard through the plugs due to the amplification, but you have added protection from the damaging sound levels. Quality electronic muffs are a must.


30 posted on 02/17/2013 10:05:52 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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