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To: Morgana

I am more than skeptical about this story. I am unaware Idespite the writer’s claim) of ANY doctor who would advise a woman to abort a child. This is not only against the canon of ethics it is also AGAINST the law and is an actionable item that the medical board would love to know about.

Further there is no name of the hospital in Modesto where this so called incident took place. IF in fact a doctor made the recommendation to ‘sign over’ the baby there is no actual ability for a hospital to take charge of such a child.

Nothing in this story rings true. Cleft palate has been well understood for over 50 years and has been handled seamlessly since the 60s.

I am ringing the dumb bell because this story is entry made up. It is so far outside the norms of medical practice in the US as to be laughable


3 posted on 01/31/2013 6:33:47 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Maybe you are right but I didn’t see anywhere in the story where a doctor advised the couple to abort their child.


4 posted on 01/31/2013 6:38:14 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Nifster
I have been hearing more and more stories about abortion being encouraged for every little birth defect from Downs to cleft lip. Trust me I read them all.

I was a bit shocked this story happened 15 years ago but then again they did say it happened in Kalifornia and that is lib land. Lib things do then to happen their first, then slowly spread to the rest of the country.

What shocked me if true is the hospital had no way to feed the baby? “The hospital did not have the type of bottles babies with a cleft use to feed.” What kind of hospital is not prepared? Even if that is the case then transfer the baby to a hospital that does. That would have been my question.

The other thing was.....”He told us that we were still young, we could still have other children, and that these kids (kids with cleft lip and palate) tend to have neurological problems, he would require many surgeries that could bankrupt us, and that if we were foolish enough to ignore medical advice and take our baby home he would end right back at the hospital as a “failure to thrive.” “

I have never heard of such a thing!! I did a report on cleft lip/plate in biology class while in college. I don't ever remember researching that! As for cost? Bankrupt? Well I am sure obozocare covers that! If the doctors told them this they need to go back to what ever third world crap hole they came from and practice medicine there.

8 posted on 01/31/2013 6:45:44 PM PST by Morgana (This space for rent.)
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To: Nifster

I’ve heard enough stories about doctors advising women to abort, that I believe many of them - they do ring true.

And my MIL, a nurse in the early 60s and later a physician, told me that they did use to let severely deformed and handicapped babies die then, give them a little sedative to keep them comfortable.

But cleft palate is so routinely fixed, and while there is an association with neurological defects, the neonatologist can do a neurological exam, there are brain scans, that I cannot believe any doctor in the country would say of a full term, otherwise healthy looking baby with a cleft palate, just throw him away and try again.

Why no complaints to the hospital board, the medical board, their clergyman, their congressman? Show me the documentation from the time, name names, and I’ll believe them.


9 posted on 01/31/2013 6:46:00 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Nifster

I’m with you. I have a cousin that was born with cleft palate and that was back in the early 50’s and they fixed it. I get envelopes all the time asking for donations to fix cleft palates of people around the world.

This one.

http://www.smiletrain.org/


17 posted on 01/31/2013 7:06:23 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come.)
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To: Nifster

Saul Alinsky lives!!!


19 posted on 01/31/2013 7:24:55 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Nifster; Morgana

I agree; this story seems so absurd that it is pretty unbelievable. The surgery for cleft palate is so simple, apparently, that American doctors regularly go to third-world countries to fix up kids who have this condition (and how did those kids manage to eat, eh?).


28 posted on 01/31/2013 10:42:26 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Nifster

I have never heard of anything like this happening in America, either. Never heard of turning a person over to a hospital so they can kill. Maybe it’s something new that came in with Obamacare?


31 posted on 01/31/2013 11:48:16 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Nifster
I am unaware despite the writer’s claim) of ANY doctor who would advise a woman to abort a child.

You haven't been around very much. Besides the abortionists themselves who break numerous rules of conduct besides the actual action itself (medicare fraud, diagnoses of women as being pregnant when they are not), you have the well-documented high rates of misconduct by shrinks with attractive female clients. These sorts of misconduct are unlikely to be reported, or to get a sympathetic ear. The patients don't usually use a hidden tape recorder.

For something inside the purely professional realm, you have doctors at the WI union protests signing sick notes by the dozen for teachers who decided to play hooky. Many of today's doctors do not belong on a pedestal.
35 posted on 02/01/2013 3:48:32 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: Nifster

It’s setting off my BS meter as well. I can believe some doctor (who’s not God but plays Him on TV) presented the option to basically starve their baby to death. However, that the couple received pressure to do so strikes me as untrue. Or else, the doctor had some serious emotional issues and would have many documented complaints against him. I don’t believe starving a baby with a cleft palate is best medical practice. I’d have reported some doctor to the hospital and the medical board who tried to tell me it was.


38 posted on 02/01/2013 4:21:25 AM PST by old and tired
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