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To: JCBreckenridge
No, the Constituion is the Supreme Law of the Land. It does not run on top of colonial law, the Articles of Confederation, or anything else.

If you are a non-constructionist, you could argue that it has the power to define marriage without a Constitutional Amendment. But the enumerated powers do not mention defining the terms of marriage contracts. Even DOMA did not forbid states from setting their own terms, but only establishing the standard that states are required to acknowledge with respect to the FedGov and between the states.

The top down approach won't accomplish your goals. They will simply be circumvented at the federal level even if you can make strides; a swap in the party leadership will swap everything back and forth. Central planning at that level fails.

175 posted on 01/20/2013 8:58:19 PM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner

“No, the Constituion is the Supreme Law of the Land. It does not run on top of colonial law, the Articles of Confederation, or anything else.”

It runs on ‘plenty of other stuff’. Not all of American Jurisprudence is contained within the constitution. There are plenty of American laws which exist that have their origins in the colonial period, and others even earlier. Just looking at the constitution and reading through - this is readily apparent.

“If you are a non-constructionist”.

I am a constructionist. what is contrary to constructionist by obtaining information on the origin of the opinions of the founding fathers and similarities between the US constitutions and other legal systems at the time? In order to properly understand the constitution and the motivation behind it requires this background.

Your thesis that ‘gay marriage is not contrary to the constitution requires evidence that the founders rejected the Common Law definition of marriage. I have plenty of information that shows this is just not true.

“Even DOMA did not forbid states from setting their own terms, but only establishing the standard that states are required to acknowledge with respect to the FedGov and between the states.”

DOMA explicitly cites the FF+C clause as the requirement for a uniform standard across the US with respect to the definition of marriage. States are permitted to set things like age laws, etc, but they cannot change the definition.

“The top down approach won’t accomplish your goals.”

The law is the law. Ignorance of the law doesn’t change anything. I am arguing that, in accordance to the constitution - the power to enforce the definition of marriage across the US rests with the federal government at present. I have provided substantial evidence in favour of this argument whereas you’ve provided nothing.

“They will simply be circumvented”

Then no marriage exists in contravention to the federal laws in the United States.

“Central planning at that level fails.”

On the contrary - having a uniform requirement on marriage is the only system that works. If every state has different marriage laws, and each state fails to recognise marriage in every other state - then there really is no marriage whatsoever. There can be only one. States can try to defy this but again - it has no standing in court, nor force of law backing it up. People are free to call their relationships whatever they want, even ‘marriage’, but it doesn’t change the legal requirements.


176 posted on 01/20/2013 9:08:51 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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