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Who Were the Beatniks? (Vanity)
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Posted on 11/25/2012 2:47:21 PM PST by DustyMoment

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To: DustyMoment

Like, cosmic, man.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 3:26:36 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: jobim; blueunicorn6

“These arrangements were crafted like jewels, certainly not the work of scatterbrained freedom seekers.”

Pretty sure the references were to Bop, not to Jazz in general.


22 posted on 11/25/2012 3:34:02 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: DustyMoment

In the article there is a reference to “the destructive forces of McCarthyism”.

McCarthy was right, and was excoriated for it by the Left of the time. The Venona Papers showed from the opposing Soviet side how right he was.

Interesting article just the same.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 3:35:00 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: DustyMoment

I remember as a youth reading “Howl” and thinking “What a twit.” That was the end of any interest I might have had in the unwashed masses. Later I read Ayn Rand and thought “Yep, I know the twits she’s talking about.”


24 posted on 11/25/2012 3:35:58 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I think the word Beatnik was derived from Sputnik....

Somewhere I recall that the term "hippie" was a beatnik who shot up and kept his/her/it's hips raised when shooting up as to expedite the heroin's impact.

25 posted on 11/25/2012 3:36:38 PM PST by llevrok (I haven't left America. It left me.)
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To: jobim

1959 was kinda late for the Beats. They really started in the late Forties.

“Reading from a prepared text, Kerouac reflected on his beat beginnings:
It is because I am Beat, that is, I believe in beatitude and that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son to it... Who knows, but that the universe is not one vast sea of compassion actually, the veritable holy honey, beneath all this show of personality and cruelty?[6]
Kerouac’s address was later published as “The Origins of the Beat Generation” (Playboy, June 1959). In that article Kerouac noted how his original beatific philosophy had been ignored amid maneuvers by several pundits, among them Herb Caen, the San Francisco newspaperman, to alter Kerouac’s concept with jokes and jargon:
I went one afternoon to the church of my childhood and had a vision of what I must have really meant with “Beat”... the vision of the word Beat as being to mean beatific... People began to call themselves beatniks, beats, jazzniks, bopniks, bugniks and finally I was called the “avatar” of all this.
In light of what he considered beat to mean and what beatnik had come to mean, he once observed to a reporter, “I’m not a beatnik, I’m a Catholic”, showing the reporter a painting of Pope Paul VI and saying, “You know who painted that? Me.”


26 posted on 11/25/2012 3:38:03 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: jobim

” Kerouac was a central figure, but I always felt he saw himself as a writer much more than a beatnick. He wrote some extraordinarily beautiful passages, and spent the end of his life in the Catholic faith of his youth.”

And Kerouac was a patriot who loved America ; unlike Ginsberg and Burroughs . In his final years he had nothing to do with them . He even called Ginsberg a Commie on Firing Line and Allen was in the audience , there to support Jack , who was , shall we say , slightly inebriated .


27 posted on 11/25/2012 3:41:49 PM PST by sushiman
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Dig this;

http://audio.skeyelab.com/howtospeakhip/


28 posted on 11/25/2012 3:42:30 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: DustyMoment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4PKzz81m5c
Chet Baker - Almost blue


29 posted on 11/25/2012 3:42:40 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: DustyMoment

I read On the Road many years ago and observed that the Beatnik culture is almost identical to most spoiled adolescents in college: Road trips, drugs, sloth, casual sex, a disdain for work and an air of moral superiority.

These things were extremely taboo in the early sixties. Today not so much...


30 posted on 11/25/2012 3:43:59 PM PST by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: OKSooner

LOL!!


31 posted on 11/25/2012 3:46:40 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Wonder where Lawrence Ferlinghetti fits in. He wrote “Coney Island of the Mind” I think. There was also a trumpet or sax player whose name I can’t remember who was very important to the boyfriend of a friend of mine. This brings back a lot of memories.... Incidentally, their apartments were , in general, pig pens or worse. Blech.


32 posted on 11/25/2012 3:47:14 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If you love your freedom, thank a vet.)
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To: FreedomPoster
McCarthy was right, and was excoriated for it by the Left of the time.

I agree. McCarthy WAS right and he was demonized and excoriated by the left for decades. His name wasn't cleared until the late 80s or early 90s.

33 posted on 11/25/2012 3:48:27 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

“I knew right away what he meant somehow,” wrote Kerouac, “I was a bum, a brakeman, a seaman, a panhandler…anything and everything, and went on writing because my hero was Goethe.”

Kind of sounds like the kind of people who liked to hang out at the USA’s first commune that was created by British industrialist, Robert Owen, in 1825 in New Harmony, Indiana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Owen
In 1825, such an experiment was attempted under the direction of his disciple, Abram Combe, at Orbiston near Glasgow; and in the next year Owen himself began another at New Harmony, Indiana, U.S., sold to him by George Rapp. After a trial of about two years both failed completely. Neither of them was a pauper experiment; but it must be said that the members were of the most motley description, many worthy people of the highest aims being mixed with vagrants, adventurers, and crotchety, wrongheaded enthusiasts, or in the words of Owen’s son “a heterogeneous collection of radicals, enthusiastic devotees to principle, honest latitudinarians, and lazy theorists, with a sprinkling of unprincipled sharpers thrown in.”[3]


34 posted on 11/25/2012 3:57:55 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Actually the early beatniks got their start in the 40s, very close to the end of WW2. Although the “nik” part of their name is attributed to Sputnik, the “beat” portion of it was introduced prior to the launch of Sputnik.

Notice that the Beatniks hung out in very specific coffee houses in SOHO and in Frisco. These were gathering places where they exchanged ideas, wrote or read their “poetry”; mostly to people who weren’t listening to them.

Overall, the Beatniks were a largely laughable movement that only enthralled some of the media and Hollyweird. Bits and pieces of some of the more “acceptable” philosophies of the Beatniks can be found in a number of different entertainment items of the day including “West Side Story” and “Dobie Gillis” with the character Maynard G. Krebs (played by Bob Denver of Gilligan fame!).

It wasn’t until the influence of the Beatniks was picked up by the hippies that the movement got more traction than it should. The rest is truly history.


35 posted on 11/25/2012 3:58:45 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I made this model car as a kid so I am connected to them in a plastic manner.

Yes I sniffed the glue a little. I miss that smell but not how it got on everything.

36 posted on 11/25/2012 4:01:01 PM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: BfloGuy

I posted it because I have become weary of the Boomer-bashers here. The way I see it, if people want to blame Boomers for the ills of the world, they should, at least, understand the roots of the 60s.


37 posted on 11/25/2012 4:01:26 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

In the minds and propaganda of the Left, he is still a demon.


38 posted on 11/25/2012 4:03:23 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I was a twentysomething when the Beatniks were among us.. My fellow establishment types, and I tried to get into the groove to pick up the free love types..

No matter what we wore, it was new stuff, clean, and smelled of Jade East cologne from work, it never worked out.. I finally got close enough to a stringy haired ragmuffin to get a whiff of that common scent that most of them had, kinda like pot, incense, sweat, and a gross undertone that no one who bathed could ever replicate.. UGH!

I decided it wasn’t worth it, unless she would have agreed to be Dipped before I’d allow her in my new Nash Rambler.. :)


39 posted on 11/25/2012 4:05:00 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: jjotto
Hippies were not young people who invented themselves, as boomers now want us to believe.

Where did you get that!?? Most boomers had no association withe the hippies other than the fact that we were all in the same age group.

You may rest well assured that there isn't a Boomer that I know who wants to either be associated with the hippies or who believes that the hippies were invented by Boomers.

40 posted on 11/25/2012 4:05:13 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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